possable workaround zune hdd

fade3e · 07-13-2007, 11:52 PM

ok so first off i dont want to get anyone's hopes up yet so ill be straitforward. i decided to see if i could copy files to the zune, well i was working in visual basic and was planning on making a program that once starts keeps trying to copy a small test file to the zune then checks if it exists so after starting you could start synching the zune then it would work and find that the file exists so then it would copy the file you wanted to the zune for you.

well i came across a very odd discovery that may possibly be a fluke or glitchish thing. well at one part of the program where it keeps attempting to copy the test file then check for existance it went wrong i decided to run the program but when it started it ran through the course of what would happen if it found the file so i went and double checkde my code as i haddent ran the zune software yet. well apparently it kept finding the pic i sent in the zunes directory yet the image wouldnt show up in windows explorer even with hidden files viewable so then i added code so that if it did find the image it would then copy it from a new directory on my computer and sure enough the jpg showed up where it was supposed to but it still didnt appear in the zune durring windows explorer.

my conclusion: i susessfully copied an image to the zune then back to a different directory all withought opening the software. now i will report back later to see if i could repeat this with any different or larger files then i guess ill either release a src or make a prgm for it ill post back later

edit

yes i tryed this with many different images and it keeps copying susessfuly but i am not sure this is genuin till i make a program for it, so i hope to have a prof of concept out soooon

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ok so i just created a poc program that shows for some reason .net programs can copy to the zune. now what i think happens is that withought the sync signal the best you can do is copy it to what is like a trashcan since it doesnt show up in windows explorer and the memory doesnt increase. this is like when you delete a file its really still there just hasnt been writen over yet. well here is the download
http://www.freewebs.com/flame4e/Zune...0%28POC%29.rar

btw this is all my speculation try it out for yourself, the src is in a txt file but just copy paste it to any new vb proj to see for yourself. well i hope im right in all this it could be a decent breakthrough, oh and there is an executable the source is just there to prove im not making this up

ps im running vista home premum if that matters

manxkat · 07-14-2007, 03:04 AM

Wow, this is great. I'll check out the source. Even though I don't have a Zune. :P

Heh, it's just like my first VB app ever. Really simple. Yet astonishing. Someone else should try this.

fade3e · 07-14-2007, 01:23 PM

yea i just got a new game for my wii so im gonna go play that but after wards im gonna try this to copy something from my laptop to my zune to my desktop

Nurta · 07-14-2007, 02:13 PM

heh, you've stumped me for now. My only guess is that it stores it on your computer and doesn't sync it over or something. If you copy where on the Zune you copied it and put that in the adress bar for explorer, it opens it. I'll figure this out though...

Marshillboy · 07-14-2007, 02:37 PM

I'm sorry, but I really don't understand what I'm supposed to enter in the text boxes in your program. You should label them more clearly. For example:

What does "Zune Directory" mean? Is it the directory of the zune device or of the zune program? If it is the zune device, how do you enter a path to it if it isn't a drive-letter (mass storage device)? If it is the zune program, what is the point of that?

What does "Directory you want to copy to" mean? What is the difference from this and "Zune Directory? In what situation would you use one or the other, or do you use both?

This is very unclear to me.

EDIT: Oh, and btw, this might just me being picky, but you do know that there is such a thing as capitalization and punctuation, right?

Nurta · 07-14-2007, 02:41 PM

Luke, come on.

It does two operations, one copies from the top box to the second one, the second opp copies from the second one to the third one.

The second box is the location of the Zune in windows Explorer (My Computer\Zune_Name\Storage\*)

honestly, I doubt it copies to the Zune at all, I think it copies to some tricky MS location...

fade3e · 07-14-2007, 03:00 PM

nurta, thats what i think too thats why i wanted to share this with people. but to see if it works im gonna try to copy a file to the zune from my laptop then copy from my zune to my other computer

fade3e · 07-14-2007, 03:02 PM

oh and marsh are you talking about the punctuation of my first post, because i was just excited and typing fast.

Nurta · 07-14-2007, 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flame4e

nurta, thats what i think too thats why i wanted to share this with people. but to see if it works im gonna try to copy a file to the zune from my laptop then copy from my zune to my other computer

yeah, that should help... Normally when you are accessing the Zune, the screen becomes the "synchronizing" screen, however when using this I don't notice that. Really, explorer does a lot of neat tricks with the WPD. It mostly constructs the entire layout (no other file explorer will display the Zune like that, since it isn't mass storage) and when you open a file, it copies it to a temp folder and then executes it from there, so it storing the file in some sort of mask somewhere isn't quite so crazy

fade3e · 07-14-2007, 03:50 PM

Well you were right Nurta, it couldnt find th file when i attemoted to copy to my other computer so the file must have been stored in a type of temp folder. Well i guess were all back to square one, needing the sync signal to be emulated

Nurta · 07-14-2007, 05:15 PM

but it's a neat party trick... In a party of really nerdy folks...

PityOnU · 07-14-2007, 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nurta

but it's a neat party trick... In a party of really nerdy folks...

Nerdy people don't have parties... Trust me, I should know

Marshillboy · 07-14-2007, 07:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nurta

but it's a neat party trick... In a party of really nerdy folks...

Wouldn't it be neat to find the hidden location? I'd like to be able to get crep off of my zune without the proggy.

Btw, Kent: I just had a party. It owned.

manxkat · 07-14-2007, 07:42 PM

Is there anything resource hackers can see with the location of that temp directory?

Pierce28 · 07-14-2007, 07:50 PM

I'm too tired to work on it now, but try doing something along the lines of:

Dim TestTextFile as FileInfo
Dim FileLocation as String

TestTextFile.Create(ZuneDirectory)
FileLocation = TestTextFile.Location.ToString() 'You may not need the ToString, but meh. Tired

The syntax is probably wrong, but its been a long day and I'm getting tired. This should hopefully point you in the right direction.

Nurta · 07-14-2007, 08:06 PM

how about having it copy an executable there, and then have the second part of the program run the executable. The program could be cmd.exe or something that tells you where it is?

edit: I went and made the file, and was about to do it. When all of the sudden I remembered, i couldn't

lance1 · 07-15-2007, 04:25 PM

nice job keep up da gud work

JeremyMiller · 08-05-2007, 11:03 PM

Nice work and good luck...

Though for some reason I get the feeling like you are 12 years old.

fade3e · 08-14-2007, 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JeremyMiller

Nice work and good luck...

Though for some reason I get the feeling like you are 12 years old.

thanx, and im 17 i was just typing fast out of excitement.

07-13-2007, 11:52 PM	#1 (permalink)
fade3e ehh not sure... zB Programmer Jr. Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 274 Reputation: 34	possable workaround zune hdd ok so first off i dont want to get anyone's hopes up yet so ill be straitforward. i decided to see if i could copy files to the zune, well i was working in visual basic and was planning on making a program that once starts keeps trying to copy a small test file to the zune then checks if it exists so after starting you could start synching the zune then it would work and find that the file exists so then it would copy the file you wanted to the zune for you. well i came across a very odd discovery that may possibly be a fluke or glitchish thing. well at one part of the program where it keeps attempting to copy the test file then check for existance it went wrong i decided to run the program but when it started it ran through the course of what would happen if it found the file so i went and double checkde my code as i haddent ran the zune software yet. well apparently it kept finding the pic i sent in the zunes directory yet the image wouldnt show up in windows explorer even with hidden files viewable so then i added code so that if it did find the image it would then copy it from a new directory on my computer and sure enough the jpg showed up where it was supposed to but it still didnt appear in the zune durring windows explorer. my conclusion: i susessfully copied an image to the zune then back to a different directory all withought opening the software. now i will report back later to see if i could repeat this with any different or larger files then i guess ill either release a src or make a prgm for it ill post back later edit yes i tryed this with many different images and it keeps copying susessfuly but i am not sure this is genuin till i make a program for it, so i hope to have a prof of concept out soooon edit edit ok so i just created a poc program that shows for some reason .net programs can copy to the zune. now what i think happens is that withought the sync signal the best you can do is copy it to what is like a trashcan since it doesnt show up in windows explorer and the memory doesnt increase. this is like when you delete a file its really still there just hasnt been writen over yet. well here is the download http://www.freewebs.com/flame4e/Zune...0%28POC%29.rar btw this is all my speculation try it out for yourself, the src is in a txt file but just copy paste it to any new vb proj to see for yourself. well i hope im right in all this it could be a decent breakthrough, oh and there is an executable the source is just there to prove im not making this up ps im running vista home premum if that matters Last edited by fade3e : 07-14-2007 at 12:39 AM.

07-14-2007, 03:04 AM	#2 (permalink)
manxkat Zewbie Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 3 Reputation: 10	Wow, this is great. I'll check out the source. Even though I don't have a Zune. :P Heh, it's just like my first VB app ever. Really simple. Yet astonishing. Someone else should try this. Last edited by manxkat : 07-14-2007 at 03:29 AM.

07-14-2007, 02:13 PM	#4 (permalink)
Nurta **** you Administrator Ultimate Zuner Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 6,650 Reputation: 528 Awards Showcase Total Awards: 2	heh, you've stumped me for now. My only guess is that it stores it on your computer and doesn't sync it over or something. If you copy where on the Zune you copied it and put that in the adress bar for explorer, it opens it. I'll figure this out though... __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

07-14-2007, 02:41 PM	#6 (permalink)
Nurta **** you Administrator Ultimate Zuner Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 6,650 Reputation: 528 Awards Showcase Total Awards: 2	Luke, come on. It does two operations, one copies from the top box to the second one, the second opp copies from the second one to the third one. The second box is the location of the Zune in windows Explorer (My Computer\Zune_Name\Storage\) honestly, I doubt it copies to the Zune at all, I think it copies to some tricky MS location... __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.*

07-14-2007, 05:15 PM	#11 (permalink)
Nurta **** you Administrator Ultimate Zuner Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 6,650 Reputation: 528 Awards Showcase Total Awards: 2	but it's a neat party trick... In a party of really nerdy folks... __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

07-14-2007, 01:23 PM	#3 (permalink)
fade3e ehh not sure... zB Programmer Jr. Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 274 Reputation: 34	yea i just got a new game for my wii so im gonna go play that but after wards im gonna try this to copy something from my laptop to my zune to my desktop

07-14-2007, 03:00 PM	#7 (permalink)
fade3e ehh not sure... zB Programmer Jr. Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 274 Reputation: 34	nurta, thats what i think too thats why i wanted to share this with people. but to see if it works im gonna try to copy a file to the zune from my laptop then copy from my zune to my other computer

07-14-2007, 03:02 PM	#8 (permalink)
fade3e ehh not sure... zB Programmer Jr. Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 274 Reputation: 34	oh and marsh are you talking about the punctuation of my first post, because i was just excited and typing fast.

07-14-2007, 03:50 PM	#10 (permalink)
fade3e ehh not sure... zB Programmer Jr. Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 274 Reputation: 34	Well you were right Nurta, it couldnt find th file when i attemoted to copy to my other computer so the file must have been stored in a type of temp folder. Well i guess were all back to square one, needing the sync signal to be emulated

07-14-2007, 07:42 PM	#14 (permalink)
manxkat Zewbie Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 3 Reputation: 10	Is there anything resource hackers can see with the location of that temp directory?

07-14-2007, 07:50 PM	#15 (permalink)
Pierce28 zB Programmer Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: North Carolina Posts: 592 Reputation: 62	I'm too tired to work on it now, but try doing something along the lines of: Dim TestTextFile as FileInfo Dim FileLocation as String TestTextFile.Create(ZuneDirectory) FileLocation = TestTextFile.Location.ToString() 'You may not need the ToString, but meh. Tired The syntax is probably wrong, but its been a long day and I'm getting tired. This should hopefully point you in the right direction. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

07-14-2007, 08:06 PM	#16 (permalink)
Nurta **** you Administrator Ultimate Zuner Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 6,650 Reputation: 528 Awards Showcase Total Awards: 2	how about having it copy an executable there, and then have the second part of the program run the executable. The program could be cmd.exe or something that tells you where it is? edit: I went and made the file, and was about to do it. When all of the sudden I remembered, i couldn't __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Last edited by Nurta : 07-14-2007 at 08:27 PM.

07-15-2007, 04:25 PM	#17 (permalink)
lance1 Squirt Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 21 Reputation: 10	nice job keep up da gud work

08-05-2007, 11:03 PM	#18 (permalink)
JeremyMiller Zuner Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 92 Reputation: 10	Nice work and good luck... Though for some reason I get the feeling like you are 12 years old.

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