ANY METAL HEADS IN HERE?

[Atrocious]

Originally Posted by mr.handsomeman

well, it doesn't HAVE to happen, but it definitely makes things easier on people.

It HAS to happen.

[mr.handsomeman]

Originally Posted by Atrocious

It HAS to happen.

Whatever man! we both agree that it makes things easier and just makes things better. all right! YA!

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Locust Star

I wouldn't say your elitist.

I like metalcore (Lamb of God, Horse the Band, Bullet For My Valentine) but a lot of the bands sound very similar and it gets tiring. Metalcore bands are another group that is looked down upon by many elitist metal fans.

Is it alright if I just...hit you, just a little? I hate it when people think ZOMG WIERD VOCALS = METLKORE! Lamb of God traces no heritage to hardcore punk, save that from thrash metal bands such as Slayer. Lamb of God is groove metal, a genre defined and exemplified by Pantera. BTW groove metal is also known as post-thrash metal. And before people jump on me for being "technical," groove metal isn't some obscure or even debated sub-genre; Pantera pretty much cemented the sound. Sub-genres are there for a reason: most would agree that bands like Korn and Iron Maiden are polar opposites, but both are metal, to a degree. Therefore, bands that sound like Korn get their own genre, nu-metal, which is a conglomeration of different styles, and Maiden is a NWOBHM, which was the second kind of widely recognized metal, after the classic heavy metal bands such as Black Sabbath(which in itself actually had a lot of doom metal elements back in the day). It's the elitist metalheads that killed metal, really, because they insist that extreme metal styles (thrash, death, black, or any derivatives thereof) and a few other select subgenres are all there is to metal. That's just not the case. It's the elitists that lumped all the metal they happened to like into "metal," and everything else as "not metal." For instance, Dragonforce IS metal, as much as some people think they are not. It's a very well known style called power metal, similar to progressive metal with heavy NWOBHM influences, expanding them into largely fantasy themes. Not quite Cannibal Corpse, but metal nonetheless.

[Atrocious]

I like how you had a huge explanation about a band that sucks.

[Little Horn]

Originally Posted by Locke

Is it alright if I just...hit you, just a little? I hate it when people think ZOMG WIERD VOCALS = METLKORE! Lamb of God traces no heritage to hardcore punk, save that from thrash metal bands such as Slayer. Lamb of God is groove metal, a genre defined and exemplified by Pantera. BTW groove metal is also known as post-thrash metal. And before people jump on me for being "technical," groove metal isn't some obscure or even debated sub-genre; Pantera pretty much cemented the sound. Sub-genres are there for a reason: most would agree that bands like Korn and Iron Maiden are polar opposites, but both are metal, to a degree. Therefore, bands that sound like Korn get their own genre, nu-metal, which is a conglomeration of different styles, and Maiden is a NWOBHM, which was the second kind of widely recognized metal, after the classic heavy metal bands such as Black Sabbath(which in itself actually had a lot of doom metal elements back in the day). It's the elitist metalheads that killed metal, really, because they insist that extreme metal styles (thrash, death, black, or any derivatives thereof) and a few other select subgenres are all there is to metal. That's just not the case. It's the elitists that lumped all the metal they happened to like into "metal," and everything else as "not metal." For instance, Dragonforce IS metal, as much as some people think they are not. It's a very well known style called power metal, similar to progressive metal with heavy NWOBHM influences, expanding them into largely fantasy themes. Not quite Cannibal Corpse, but metal nonetheless.

Dude, really, who cares? It's all metal. I still don't see the need to break everything down into these nice neat little sub-sub-sub-genres. Why stop at lumping bands with similar sound into a genre? Why not just give each and every band their own own sub genre because no band sounds exacly alike. Let me give it a try...

All Shall Perish - Technical Death Doom Grind Core Metal
Cannibal Corpse - Death Gore core Grind Metal
Slayer - Fast Thrash N Smash Metal

Who gives a f*ck? Is it really that damn important? Lumping bands into superficial sub-genres does nothing... it's not necessary. It all comes back to what people classify as good Metal. Korn sucks so we'll say that they're "Nu-Metal" so we don't contaminate the Death F*ck Speed Crash Dash Heavy Core Metal sub genre with a sh*tty band.

[mr.handsomeman]

Originally Posted by floorpuncher

Dude, really, who cares? It's all metal. I still don't see the need to break everything down into these nice neat little sub-sub-sub-genres. Why stop at lumping bands with similar sound into a genre? Why not just give each and every band their own own sub genre because no band sounds exacly alike. Let me give it a try...

All Shall Perish - Technical Death Doom Grind Core Metal
Cannibal Corpse - Death Gore core Grind Metal
Slayer - Fast Thrash N Smash Metal

Who gives a f*ck? Is it really that damn important? Lumping bands into superficial sub-genres does nothing... it's not necessary. It all comes back to what people classify as good Metal. Korn sucks so we'll say that they're "Nu-Metal" so we don't contaminate the Death F*ck Speed Crash Dash Heavy Core Metal sub genre with a sh*tty band.

that made me smile floor. Good one, that's what i was trying to say earlier, that it's not necessary, but atrocious was saying that it was, I don't know, i disagree.

[Little Horn]

Originally Posted by mr.handsomeman

that made me smile floor. Good one, that's what i was trying to say earlier, that it's not necessary, but atrocious was saying that it was, I don't know, i disagree.

Well Atrocious does have really good taste in music I think he's full of himself in this area. So is this other guy. These are the "elitist" fans that they both hate so much. Beside, that other dude really pissed me off when he mentioned something about metal being killed or dying. Metal has never died, isn't dead and will never die. Metal has only ever "died" in the mianstream, in which case, who gives a f*ck? Metal doesn't belong in the mainstream.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Atrocious

I like how you had a huge explanation about a band that sucks.

Whether or not you happened to like the band is irrelevant. What the band is is the important part. For instance, I don't have a great love for 90% of the metal being made today, period, but that doesn't mean that it doesn't deserve the respect of being metal. If it's metal, then it belongs there, and even bands like Korn have at least some connection to metal, even if their dominant influences are elsewhere(though they actually are rather remniscent of sludge/stoner metal). Weren't you the one campaigning for the importance of sub genres?

Originally Posted by floorpuncher

Well Atrocious does have really good taste in music I think he's full of himself in this area. So is this other guy. These are the "elitist" fans that they both hate so much. Beside, that other dude really pissed me off when he mentioned something about metal being killed or dying. Metal has never died, isn't dead and will never die. Metal has only ever "died" in the mianstream, in which case, who gives a f*ck? Metal doesn't belong in the mainstream.

It's so good to know that I don't have a name other than "this other guy."

Simply put, you, my good sir, are ignorant if you think that metal can simply be "what I like" and "what I don't like." It's all metal, yes, and as you said, each band does have a unique sound, but there are certainly enough similarities between bands to make sub-genres simple enough. Granted, there are some very debatable genres, nu-metal being the biggest, but really, they aren't that hard to figure out. New Wave of British Heavy Metal is very distinct from thrash metal, and death metal and black metal are polar opposites. It's only recently with -core this, -core that, that things have gotten more complicated.

I didn't say that metal was dead; if you actually cared to read it, I said, "It's the elitist metalheads that killed metal, really, because they insist that extreme metal styles (thrash, death, black, or any derivatives thereof) and a few other select subgenres are all there is to metal...the elitists...lumped all the metal they happened to like into'"metal,' and everything else as 'not metal.' " Essentially, when metal loses objective sub-genres and becomes what people like or dislike, metal becomes reduced to something akin to the arguments of three year-olds. "That's mine. No, that's mine. That's mine! No, that's mine!" or "That's metal. No it isn't. That's metal! No it isn't!" The subgenre's are there to insure that it is absoulutely clear what is what, so that everyone knows what they're talking about. As for your mildly humourous hyperbole on sub genres, such definition really isn't necessary. Usually a word or two suffices. The longest I've heard was "industrial melodic blackened death metal," which described Shade Empire, and described it quite well. But again, most other bands fall into one word definitions quite easily; it's only when the genre itself is in question that problems arise.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Atrocious

I like how you had a huge explanation about a band that sucks.

Whether or not you happened to like the band is irrelevant. What the band is is the important part. For instance, I don't have a great love for 90% of the metal being made today, period, but that doesn't mean that it doesn't deserve the respect of being metal. If it's metal, then it belongs there, and even bands like Korn have at least some connection to metal, even if their dominant influences are elsewhere(though they actually are rather remniscent of sludge/stoner metal). Weren't you the one campaigning for the importance of sub genres?

Originally Posted by floorpuncher

Well Atrocious does have really good taste in music I think he's full of himself in this area. So is this other guy. These are the "elitist" fans that they both hate so much. Beside, that other dude really pissed me off when he mentioned something about metal being killed or dying. Metal has never died, isn't dead and will never die. Metal has only ever "died" in the mianstream, in which case, who gives a f*ck? Metal doesn't belong in the mainstream.

It's so good to know that I don't have a name other than "this other guy."

Simply put, you, my good sir, are ignorant if you think that metal can simply be "what I like" and "what I don't like." It's all metal, yes, and as you said, each band does have a unique sound, but there are certainly enough similarities between bands to make sub-genres simple enough. Granted, there are some very debatable genres, nu-metal being the biggest, but really, they aren't that hard to figure out. New Wave of British Heavy Metal is very distinct from thrash metal, and death metal and black metal are polar opposites. It's only recently with -core this, -core that, that things have gotten more complicated.

I didn't say that metal was dead; if you actually cared to read it, I said, "It's the elitist metalheads that killed metal, really, because they insist that extreme metal styles (thrash, death, black, or any derivatives thereof) and a few other select subgenres are all there is to metal...the elitists...lumped all the metal they happened to like into'"metal,' and everything else as 'not metal.' " Essentially, when metal loses objective sub-genres and becomes what people like or dislike, metal becomes reduced to something akin to the arguments of three year-olds. "That's mine. No, that's mine. That's mine! No, that's mine!" or "That's metal. No it isn't. That's metal! No it isn't!" The subgenre's are there to insure that it is absoulutely clear what is what, so that everyone knows what they're talking about. As for your mildly humourous hyperbole on sub genres, such definition really isn't necessary. Usually a word or two suffices. The longest I've heard was "industrial melodic blackened death metal," which described Shade Empire, and described it quite well. But again, most other bands fall into one word definitions quite easily; it's only when the genre itself is in question that problems arise.

[Atrocious]

Yes, but my rant was about genre's in general. Not some crap band.

[Atrocious]

Originally Posted by floorpuncher

Well Atrocious does have really good taste in music I think he's full of himself in this area. So is this other guy. These are the "elitist" fans that they both hate so much. Beside, that other dude really pissed me off when he mentioned something about metal being killed or dying. Metal has never died, isn't dead and will never die. Metal has only ever "died" in the mianstream, in which case, who gives a f*ck? Metal doesn't belong in the mainstream.

I'm not full of myself, I'm confident with my taste in music. I've probably been to more concerts than anyone on this board, I use to be the booking agent of the venue here, I kind of know what I'm talking about.

[mr.handsomeman]

Originally Posted by Atrocious

I'm not full of myself, I'm confident with my taste in music. I've probably been to more concerts than anyone on this board, I use to be the booking agent of the venue here, I kind of know what I'm talking about.

there's the full of yourself part that he was talking about
Nobody cares how many concerts you've been to and where you worked, it really doesn't matter. you're musical experience and how much you play, know, listen, and compare music matters though. How well rounded you are with different styles matters, and I think you should know that.

[Atrocious]

Originally Posted by mr.handsomeman

there's the full of yourself part that he was talking about
Nobody cares how many concerts you've been to and where you worked, it really doesn't matter. you're musical experience and how much you play, know, listen, and compare music matters though. How well rounded you are with different styles matters, and I think you should know that.

See, you'd probably think by all the bands I've posted and how biased I've been, that this is all I listen to, but you're gravely mistaken. I, as a matter of fact, hardly listen to metal and/or screaming music at all anymore. I mainly listen to either acoustic, indie acoustic, pop-punk, or classical music.
So, suck it.

[mr.handsomeman]

Originally Posted by Atrocious

See, you'd probably think by all the bands I've posted and how biased I've been, that this is all I listen to, but you're gravely mistaken. I, as a matter of fact, hardly listen to metal and/or screaming music at all anymore. I mainly listen to either acoustic, indie acoustic, pop-punk, or classical music.
So, suck it.

HA! "Suck it"! what are you like twelve?

i listen to acoustic and indie music as well, I mean, you have no idea. Metal is a big part of my life, and I know that, but I also have other music influence me, i write songs, acoustic songs, and you should check them out, but still, I didn't generalize you, all I said was what you said, about how you know a lot because you used to work at a venue. Nobody cares man!

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Atrocious

Yes, but my rant was about genre's in general. Not some crap band.

Neither was mine. Only the first 1/3 of it even talked about Lamb of God, and half of that was devoted to Pantera and groove metal exclusively. Unless you happen to hate Pantera, in which case I'm sure I'll find some way to get a bomb through the mail.

Well, the way I see it, it doesn't matter how much stuff other than metal that you listen to that makes you open or close minded. It's removing bands from their intended circles just because of personal prefence that make a close minded fan. Sure, I'll listen to Paramore or Billy Talent or Daft Punk on occasion, but that isn't what makes a person open minded. An open minded person should be able to look at an artist for their musical qualities as they are(rather like Pandora's music genome project actually) to determine a genre, rather than what a person thinks of them. To take a cure from Pandora, they tag music based on certain technical details ranging from heavy syncopation to frequent guitar-driven solos to operatic voic