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Old 01-29-2008, 04:47 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Question Dealing with Multiple-disc Albums

I've got a fair amount of albums that are two disc sets, and I kind of like the way that the software dealt with a couple of them, making two separate entries. On another one, it simply mashed all the tracks into a single album on my 80, so I've got two tracks numbered 1, two numbered 2, and so on, on an album that's "disc 2".

Is there any way I can brute-force the system so that I have two albums on the unit? The software seems to recognize them as separate albums on my collection, so I don't know why the 80 sees it differently.

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Old 01-29-2008, 04:50 PM   #2 (permalink)
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i guess just change the album name to "album name" disc 1 & "album name" disc 2 thats how i changed my 2 disc album
seems to work for me
but make sure u delete them off the zune and then resync them



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Try WMP and re-getting album information
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Old 01-29-2008, 06:02 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Scrapz, the discs did rip to separate directories, and their ID3 data clearly calls them 'Disc 1' and 'Disc 2'.

Trogdor, do you mean re-rip the things, or what?

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Try navigating to where your disks are in MP3Tag and ensuring they have (Disk 1/2) on them.
This thread's pretty helpful: http://www.zuneboards.com/forums/gen...g-library.html
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Old 01-30-2008, 05:50 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Try navigating to where your disks are in MP3Tag and ensuring they have (Disk 1/2) on them.
OK, I've done that. It appears that they're tagged properly in the library on my computer. The problem I have now, not properly reported by me earlier on, is as follows:

I'm getting a disconnect between what's being displayed in the software and on the device. In the collection page, I see the three two-disc Star Wars soundtracks from 1997 for a total of six discs. Each disc is in a separate directory on my computer's hard drive. When I go to the device/music page in the software, A New Hope is two separate discs, as planned.

The first Empire and Jedi discs would never show up on the device, despite syncing. Rather, all files from discs one and two would be under Empire Disc 2 and Jedi Disc 2, i.e. 01 20th Century Fox Fanfare (Alfred Newman, 1954) and 01 The Imperial March (Darth Vader's Theme), then 02 Main Title/The Ice Planet Hoth, 02 Yoda's Theme, and so on.

I finally deleted the pair of Disc 2s from the device with the aim of starting over. The tracks from both Disc 2s are gone from the device, but the album entitled Empire Disc 2 is still there, along with all the Disc 1 tracks. However, the software reports that the albums have been deleted and I have no way to tell the device to delete Empire 1 and Jedi 1.

I'm bloody well stumped at this point. I don't want to wipe the thing and start completely over, but it's starting to look like that's going to be the end result. Has anyone ever run into anything like this?

(That thread, although very informative, didn't seem to address my concern. If I'm wrong, let me know.)




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I was more pointing to that thread just to make sure your tags were right and in the right format ; )

Ok. here's something else to look at: the collection reset too here: http://www.zuneboards.com/forums/gen...agnostics.html
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Thanks, Dizzy!

Can I count on the reliability of the tags if I used the Zune software to make them?

Does the tool reset the device or the computer-based library?

I've managed to bang around and get one of the goofball discs deleted, but the other is remaining and I can't delete it through the software. I've told the software to do that several times, but the thing remains. It's Empire Disc 2 with Disc 1's tracks. On the device, the album art shows. On the software, it's Disc 2 with no tracks.

At this point, I'm even more stumped. Maybe I should have stuck to CDs and an aging Discman.




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Lol.

The software should hold tags it made, but I wouldn't put it past the software to "forget". The reset tool will clear you collection on the computer but not affect your zune, so you'll have to either resync the troubled songs or your entire device.
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OK, so I've wiped the ol' Zune and started over. I've now deleted the offending albums off my computer's drive and am going to manually rip them with either WMP11 or the software, having turned off the auto-album data function. I'll then plod through and manually name both tracks and tags to comply more with the one SW album that worked, and then go about it slowly.

I took a look at Empire Disc 1 in both WMP11 and the software, and it keeps recognizing it; how do I stop that?




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Is it not a good thing WMP recognizes your song?
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I personally just continue the song #(if the last song on disk 1 is 12, the first on #2 is 13 and so on)
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Is it not a good thing WMP recognizes your song?
In terms of the plan I came up with, yes. I want to be able to control the entire process, because I'm suspicious of the whole labeling process for this album. I think that something about the auto-tag process is causing trouble with the whole syncing. I could be completely wrong.

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I personally just continue the song #(if the last song on disk 1 is 12, the first on #2 is 13 and so on)
Yeah, not a bad idea, if I could get the device and the software to cooperate totally. The hassle continues!




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If only the ZS was better, and didn't mess things up like this.
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If you'd rather, you could use WMP to sync your zune by using zAlt: http://www.zuneboards.com/forums/com...lternator.html
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Dizzy, after a bunch of fiddling with zAlternator and the like, I wound up in worse shape than before. I've finally decided to throw in the towel and buy an iPod.

Well, the first part of it's true. I've wiped the device about three times or so trying to get everything right, and I've discovered that I couldn't seem to reverse zAlt, so I'm starting with a fresh install of the software and a totally clean Z80.

Right now, I'm staring at a Device/Status page that tells me I've used 854.98MB and 78.97GB free; is that normal? If so, thanks to you and all those who gave me a great deal of help; I'll just wind up making playlists or something to work around the oddball arrangements of these albums, attributing it to a bug of some kind.





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Sorry about that. zAlt's a little easier to use if you follow this tutorial: http://www.zuneboards.com/forums/tut...lternator.html

Anyway, I think using 800 MB is fine; that's probably used by the device firmware.
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Dizzy, you think that maybe the problems I'm having are tag-related? I checked this morning and set MP3Tag to use only the UTF-8 ID3 tags; is it possible that the changes that I know I've made have been more or less ignored because they weren't properly compatible with the software somehow?




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I have a feeling it is tag related.

Because, I can compile songs from different places into the same album.
mp3tag isn't as great as it's cracked up to be. You could perhaps try mediamonkey, many say it's better.

What happens is that the cds are marked as the same album. What happen, then, is that all your songs are put under a single album. The zune doesn't like to recognize albums that have the same names as separate entities, especially when they all have the same album picture.

Your best bet is to rename or put an extra space into the second album. (putting an extra space in front of the whole name makes the zune think it is an entirely different album)
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