Can you just rip flash games??

sandman · 05-12-2008, 12:29 PM

and put them on the zune? you know, just alter the code a little

Techy Dude · 05-12-2008, 12:32 PM

i think so that would be so cool

jsedlak · 05-12-2008, 12:35 PM

no.

Flash Games != XNA Games

However, most Flash Games would be incredibly easy to replicate in XNA.

sandman · 05-12-2008, 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jsedlak

no.
Flash Games != XNA Games

what?

Bman22 · 05-12-2008, 01:54 PM

flash games doesn't equal xna games is what he is saying. They are written in two completely different languages, making it impossible to just save it and download it to your zune. You would have to completely remake the game in order to do this

sandman · 05-12-2008, 03:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bman22

flash games doesn't equal xna games is what he is saying. They are written in two completely different languages, making it impossible to just save it and download it to your zune. You would have to completely remake the game in order to do this

ooooooooooooooooooooooh

that really sucks

but most flash games dont take that long to make anyways, so someone could just recreate them, yes?

Dizzy · 05-12-2008, 03:03 PM

Not near as easy as it sounds.

frak · 05-12-2008, 08:00 PM

It is, in theory, possible to play flash games on a zune. (again, in theory)

We would need an INCREDIBLY light flash player (we could use Gnash, but it would need to be rewritten in C# and heavily stripped down). There is then the issue of sound. The Audio API's in XNA do not allow for writing to sound buffers, so unless we found a way to strip the audio from the flash file, we could possibly listen to our own music instead. Else, there isn't much of another way that I can think of.

sandman · 05-13-2008, 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frak

It is, in theory, possible to play flash games on a zune. (again, in theory)

We would need an INCREDIBLY light flash player (we could use Gnash, but it would need to be rewritten in C# and heavily stripped down). There is then the issue of sound. The Audio API's in XNA do not allow for writing to sound buffers, so unless we found a way to strip the audio from the flash file, we could possibly listen to our own music instead. Else, there isn't much of another way that I can think of.

flash games dont need audio really. it would be nice, but not required

frak · 05-13-2008, 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sandman

flash games dont need audio really. it would be nice, but not required

True, but even playing audio in the background from your collection is currently somewhat buggy. (depending on the zune model)

breakinbenjamin8 · 05-13-2008, 03:34 PM

in short not now

retrac1324 · 05-13-2008, 05:18 PM

You'd have to completely rewrite the games, since Flash (Adobe licensed) is very different from XNA (Microsoft licensed). It would be very difficult to reprogram the controls of a flash game that used the mouse as input (no matter what you'd still have to completely rewrite it though).

mikenike · 05-14-2008, 06:51 PM

i wish - but it just cant and wont happen

sandman · 05-15-2008, 09:02 AM

well im sure someone will do it somewhere

SimReality · 05-15-2008, 09:17 AM

I've been writing a tool to read SWF data for my PC/360 XNA games now so let me see if I can shed light on this.

First, I'm not planning on building a Flash player for any platform. The reason the Adobe one works well is that it has hundreds of man-years worth of work in it. It started with Shockwave years ago, then Macromedia, and now Adobe. No player will ever (likely) catch up with them in performance. My personal use of SWF is simply to use Flash to animate my sprites and then read that data from SWF at build time to generate my content.

Now, as to whether or not you could make a Flash player on the Zune my answer is maybe. Reading SWF files is incredibly easy. Took me maybe two days to have a program that would tell me what all of the data in the file was for. The hard part is doing something with that data. For instance any audio stuff would have to be converted to XNA's audio APIs for it to work which creates quite a challenge. Next Flash renders using vector graphics which XNA is not built to handle so you'd have to find a way to render these quickly on the Zune which would likely be hard. Also Flash accepts input from keyboard and mouse but not a Zune (obviously), so now you have to figure out how to take mouse/keyboard actions and map them to the Zune. And lastly you have to implement an entire Actionscript virtual machine which is really hard to do and then even harder to do efficiently.

Ultimately I'd say it's more worth it just to re-write the games using XNA for the Zune rather than make a Flash player because odds are you will spend weeks or months trying to write one and it will never be performant. Taking a game idea and implementing it with C# and XNA is going to wind up with a much better experience because it will be faster and will be able to utilize the Zune hardware better.

sowhatu · 05-15-2008, 11:02 AM

or buy a psp slim, throw homebrew CFW, and ur set to play SWF flash games like ones from here::

Code:

http://breaktaker.com/thumbnails.php?album=lastup&cat=4

sean1994 · 05-16-2008, 05:20 PM

I wish that would be awesome.

Marshillboy · 05-16-2008, 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jsedlak

no.

Flash Games != XNA Games

However, most Flash Games would be incredibly easy to replicate in XNA.

Speak for yourself.

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frak Zewbie Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 5 Reputation: 10 $zB: 4 Donate	It is, in theory, possible to play flash games on a zune. (again, in theory) We would need an INCREDIBLY light flash player (we could use Gnash, but it would need to be rewritten in C# and heavily stripped down). There is then the issue of sound. The Audio API's in XNA do not allow for writing to sound buffers, so unless we found a way to strip the audio from the flash file, we could possibly listen to our own music instead. Else, there isn't much of another way that I can think of.

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retrac1324 Zuner Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 52 Reputation: 10 $zB: 43 Donate	You'd have to completely rewrite the games, since Flash (Adobe licensed) is very different from XNA (Microsoft licensed). It would be very difficult to reprogram the controls of a flash game that used the mouse as input (no matter what you'd still have to completely rewrite it though). __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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SimReality Jr. Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 389 Reputation: 50 $zB: 332 Donate	I've been writing a tool to read SWF data for my PC/360 XNA games now so let me see if I can shed light on this. First, I'm not planning on building a Flash player for any platform. The reason the Adobe one works well is that it has hundreds of man-years worth of work in it. It started with Shockwave years ago, then Macromedia, and now Adobe. No player will ever (likely) catch up with them in performance. My personal use of SWF is simply to use Flash to animate my sprites and then read that data from SWF at build time to generate my content. Now, as to whether or not you could make a Flash player on the Zune my answer is maybe. Reading SWF files is incredibly easy. Took me maybe two days to have a program that would tell me what all of the data in the file was for. The hard part is doing something with that data. For instance any audio stuff would have to be converted to XNA's audio APIs for it to work which creates quite a challenge. Next Flash renders using vector graphics which XNA is not built to handle so you'd have to find a way to render these quickly on the Zune which would likely be hard. Also Flash accepts input from keyboard and mouse but not a Zune (obviously), so now you have to figure out how to take mouse/keyboard actions and map them to the Zune. And lastly you have to implement an entire Actionscript virtual machine which is really hard to do and then even harder to do efficiently. Ultimately I'd say it's more worth it just to re-write the games using XNA for the Zune rather than make a Flash player because odds are you will spend weeks or months trying to write one and it will never be performant. Taking a game idea and implementing it with C# and XNA is going to wind up with a much better experience because it will be faster and will be able to utilize the Zune hardware better. __________________ Nick Gravelyn Microsoft MVP - DirectX/XNA To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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