Objects

ZuneApps · 08-22-2008, 07:01 PM

The current game I am making doesn't need objects, but the next one will.

I looked in help and XNA Wiki and I can't find anything about objects.
I need to know exactly what an object is, how to create one, and how to use one. Thanks.

shutout5591 · 08-22-2008, 07:44 PM

You seem to be having problems with .Net and OOp to begin with. You dove right in here to XNA without any VB or C# or other language knowledge. Objects is your firstmajor brick wall.

If I told you everything to know, we would be here all day, and it would be too easy for you, you need to spend time on the learning curve as everyone else did.

So, therefore, ill be a nice guy and give you some keywords to Wiki.
Object oriented programming
C#
Programming Class

You need to do some research first, before asking help form the community.

ZuneApps · 08-22-2008, 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shutout5591

You seem to be having problems with .Net and OOp to begin with. You dove right in here to XNA without any VB or C# or other language knowledge. Objects is your firstmajor brick wall.

If I told you everything to know, we would be here all day, and it would be too easy for you, you need to spend time on the learning curve as everyone else did.

So, therefore, ill be a nice guy and give you some keywords to Wiki.
Object oriented programming
C#
Programming Class

You need to do some research first, before asking help form the community.

I am taking the learning curve, mine just curved around objects. Also, those keywords didn't help and I can't find anything about it in help or xna wiki.

Tiptup300 · 08-24-2008, 11:24 PM

Okay, wait, wait. You don't know what an object is?

shutout5591 · 08-25-2008, 05:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tiptup300

Okay, wait, wait. You don't know what an object is?

LOL

Hes right. These forums are for C# DEVELOPERS. and you cant be a C# DEV without knowledge of OBJECTS

Link9228 · 08-25-2008, 03:44 PM

I'm still totally down for zune apps having his own forums... i don't get why the guy has more rep then me when the community practically fixes everything. I know i'm not the best programmer... but i've managed to work on two existing games, create one myself (without any help), and i've begun work on another game.... I just don't get it...

Anachostic · 08-26-2008, 01:34 PM

An object is an instance of a class. A class is a definition of an object. A class has properties and methods that define the data it exposes and actions that can be performed on an instance of it. Proper design and use of classes can organize code into manageable blocks.

You create a new object when you create a new instance of a class. You use the public properties and methods on the object to execute code that is written in the class that defines the object.

If you have created anything, you have been using objects. Everything in .NET is an object.

Tiptup300 · 08-26-2008, 06:07 PM

Also, coupling is bad. Encapsulation was the developer standard, but now you can use access modifiers which sort of already does encapsulation for the developer.

Anachostic · 08-27-2008, 05:23 AM

To understand what TT is saying, read this article.

TT, why don't you give a quick post on interfaces and the patterns that use them? I'm sure a programmer just starting out would benefit from that.

Quote:

Originally Posted by shutout5591

LOL

Hes right. These forums are for C# DEVELOPERS. and you cant be a C# DEV without knowledge of OBJECTS

He's absolutely right. I'm a VB programmer and I don't understand a damn thing anyone's talking about.

catnat109 · 08-27-2008, 06:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZuneApps

The current game I am making doesn't need objects, but the next one will.

I looked in help and XNA Wiki and I can't find anything about objects.
I need to know exactly what an object is, how to create one, and how to use one. Thanks.

objects are ever thing you can use, such as variables and other data. some of them you can create and some are protected and are built in like, device screen size a as an example. And if you are saying that it doesn't need objects you are very wrong. you need to learn C# first. Or like i said start with VB. Get the basics then move on to C#.

@Anachositc, when were you added to the zB Programmers?

Anachostic · 08-27-2008, 06:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by catnat109

@Anachositc, when were you added to the zB Programmers?

I am a charter member.

catnat109 · 08-27-2008, 07:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anachostic

I am a charter member.

what does that mean?

Anachostic · 08-27-2008, 07:57 AM

I was there from the beginning. def. I could have also said "founding member", although I wasn't directly involved with its creation.

catnat109 · 08-27-2008, 07:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anachostic

I was there from the beginning. def. I could have also said "founding member", although I wasn't directly involved with its creation.

so wait what does charter cable have to do with it. Anyway. Have you heard about me being a programmer?... i heard it from volpe

Tiptup300 · 08-27-2008, 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anachostic

To understand what TT is saying, read this article.

TT, why don't you give a quick post on interfaces and the patterns that use them? I'm sure a programmer just starting out would benefit from that.

He's absolutely right. I'm a VB programmer and I don't understand a damn thing anyone's talking about.

I don't really want to explain inheritance, I think it would make his brain explode. Or would fly right past him. :P

Also, VB? woah. In school we had to use VB6 to make stuff. All I did was make games like pong and this fun mouse game where you had to keep a ball from a wall. I also almost finished a physics minigame that was fun.

Anachostic · 08-28-2008, 05:39 AM

You self-righteous prick. Apparently, the concept of sarcasm flies right past you.

And that goes for the lot of you. It seems some developers here believe they came from the womb with mastery of the C family of languages. No one seems to remember that everyone was a beginner once and had to learn on their own. For me, it's been 25 years since I started and I know there is always something new to learn. I don't carry the air of superiority that I've been coding for 25 years and I know all there is to know.

Further, too many people that are in a position to help do not understand how to help. Your egos get in the way. You don't understand that different people learn in different ways - some have to read, some have to hear, some have to do, and some need a mix of all of them. You are the types that give IT the reputation of being unapproachable and impossible to deal with.

I was so happy when Microsoft released XNA and ZuneBoards started attracting developers. Now, I'm not so sure. There are some devs on here that really have come off as pompous and derisive and seem to view themselves as Olympian gods, where no one may present a question to them unless they have been born from their C# bloodline. Instead of taking the time to type an answer, they type an insult. That right there is the true demonstration of your skill level. If you are unable to explain how you do something in terms that a beginner can understand, even if it takes many paragraphs, you are not as good as you think you are. And if you are not willing to take the time to share your knowledge, even if it takes many paragraphs, you are of no value to a community.

Now on the topic of VB. Who the hell are you to make assumptions about my coding ability simply because of the language I choose to write in? If you are insinuating that my coding structure is poor or that I don't have proper design skills, I can assure you that you are wrong. You cannot fake your way to an MCSD.NET certification. And while being certified is fine for understanding industry-standard terminology and technique, I also have many years of professional coding experience, from .com to Fortune 100 companies. So don't try and belittle me for choosing to code in a language that has a greater value in the business world due to integration with Office, SQL Server, and WSH.

catnat109 · 08-28-2008, 05:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anachostic

You self-righteous prick. Apparently, the concept of sarcasm flies right past you.

And that goes for the lot of you. It seems some developers here believe they came from the womb with mastery of the C family of languages. No one seems to remember that everyone was a beginner once and had to learn on their own. For me, it's been 25 years since I started and I know there is always something new to learn. I don't carry the air of superiority that I've been coding for 25 years and I know all there is to know.

Further, too many people that are in a position to help do not understand how to help. Your egos get in the way. You don't understand that different people learn in different ways - some have to read, some have to hear, some have to do, and some need a mix of all of them. You are the types that give IT the reputation of being unapproachable and impossible to deal with.

I was so happy when Microsoft released XNA and ZuneBoards started attracting developers. Now, I'm not so sure. There are some devs on here that really have come off as pompous and derisive and seem to view themselves as Olympian gods, where no one may present a question to them unless they have been born from their C# bloodline. Instead of taking the time to type an answer, they type an insult. That right there is the true demonstration of your skill level. If you are unable to explain how you do something in terms that a beginner can understand, even if it takes many paragraphs, you are not as good as you think you are. And if you are not willing to take the time to share your knowledge, even if it takes many paragraphs, you are of no value to a community.

Now on the topic of VB. Who the hell are you to make assumptions about my coding ability simply because of the language I choose to write in? If you are insinuating that my coding structure is poor or that I don't have proper design skills, I can assure you that you are wrong. You cannot fake your way to an MCSD.NET certification. And while being certified is fine for understanding industry-standard terminology and technique, I also have many years of professional coding experience, from .com to Fortune 100 companies. So don't try and belittle me for choosing to code in a language that has a greater value in the business world due to integration with Office, SQL Server, and WSH.

is this to me or tiptup?

Anachostic · 08-28-2008, 06:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by catnat109

is this to me or tiptup?

I don't have any issue with you.

catnat109 · 08-28-2008, 06:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anachostic

I don't have any issue with you.

o I thought all of this anger was pointed towards me. Sorry

Tiptup300 · 08-28-2008, 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anachostic

You self-righteous prick. Apparently, the concept of sarcasm flies right past you.

And that goes for the lot of you. It seems some developers here believe they came from the womb with mastery of the C family of languages. No one seems to remember that everyone was a beginner once and had to learn on their own. For me, it's been 25 years since I started and I know there is always something new to learn. I don't carry the air of superiority that I've been coding for 25 years and I know all there is to know.

Further, too many people that are in a position to help do not understand how to help. Your egos get in the way. You don't understand that different people learn in different ways - some have to read, some have to hear, some have to do, and some need a mix of all of them. You are the types that give IT the reputation of being unapproachable and impossible to deal with.

I was so happy when Microsoft released XNA and ZuneBoards started attracting developers. Now, I'm not so sure. There are some devs on here that really have come off as pompous and derisive and seem to view themselves as Olympian gods, where no one may present a question to them unless they have been born from their C# bloodline. Instead of taking the time to type an answer, they type an insult. That right there is the true demonstration of your skill level. If you are unable to explain how you do something in terms that a beginner can understand, even if it takes many paragraphs, you are not as good as you think you are. And if you are not willing to take the time to share your knowledge, even if it takes many paragraphs, you are of no value to a community.

Now on the topic of VB. Who the hell are you to make assumptions about my coding ability simply because of the language I choose to write in? If you are insinuating that my coding structure is poor or that I don't have proper design skills, I can assure you that you are wrong. You cannot fake your way to an MCSD.NET certification. And while being certified is fine for understanding industry-standard terminology and technique, I also have many years of professional coding experience, from .com to Fortune 100 companies. So don't try and belittle me for choosing to code in a language that has a greater value in the business world due to integration with Office, SQL Server, and WSH.

Where did that come from? Apparently sarcasm flys right past you. I was joking about the "exploding" thing. I'm just saying he should probably pick up a book or take a class in programming. Learning how to program does take time, you can't just cut apart programs and expect to learn everything. You can learn a lot, but you still need a little bit of guidance.

And as to the topic of VB, I believe I missed the part of where I insulted you?

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Tiptup300 Jr. Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 392 Reputation: 121	Okay, wait, wait. You don't know what an object is?

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Anachostic Jr. Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 407 Reputation: 77	An object is an instance of a class. A class is a definition of an object. A class has properties and methods that define the data it exposes and actions that can be performed on an instance of it. Proper design and use of classes can organize code into manageable blocks. You create a new object when you create a new instance of a class. You use the public properties and methods on the object to execute code that is written in the class that defines the object. If you have created anything, you have been using objects. Everything in .NET is an object.

08-26-2008, 06:07 PM	#8 (permalink)
Tiptup300 Jr. Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 392 Reputation: 121	Also, coupling is bad. Encapsulation was the developer standard, but now you can use access modifiers which sort of already does encapsulation for the developer.

08-27-2008, 07:57 AM	#13 (permalink)
Anachostic Jr. Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 407 Reputation: 77	I was there from the beginning. def. I could have also said "founding member", although I wasn't directly involved with its creation.

08-28-2008, 05:39 AM	#16 (permalink)
Anachostic Jr. Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 407 Reputation: 77	You self-righteous prick. Apparently, the concept of sarcasm flies right past you. And that goes for the lot of you. It seems some developers here believe they came from the womb with mastery of the C family of languages. No one seems to remember that everyone was a beginner once and had to learn on their own. For me, it's been 25 years since I started and I know there is always something new to learn. I don't carry the air of superiority that I've been coding for 25 years and I know all there is to know. Further, too many people that are in a position to help do not understand how to help. Your egos get in the way. You don't understand that different people learn in different ways - some have to read, some have to hear, some have to do, and some need a mix of all of them. You are the types that give IT the reputation of being unapproachable and impossible to deal with. I was so happy when Microsoft released XNA and ZuneBoards started attracting developers. Now, I'm not so sure. There are some devs on here that really have come off as pompous and derisive and seem to view themselves as Olympian gods, where no one may present a question to them unless they have been born from their C# bloodline. Instead of taking the time to type an answer, they type an insult. That right there is the true demonstration of your skill level. If you are unable to explain how you do something in terms that a beginner can understand, even if it takes many paragraphs, you are not as good as you think you are. And if you are not willing to take the time to share your knowledge, even if it takes many paragraphs, you are of no value to a community. Now on the topic of VB. Who the hell are you to make assumptions about my coding ability simply because of the language I choose to write in? If you are insinuating that my coding structure is poor or that I don't have proper design skills, I can assure you that you are wrong. You cannot fake your way to an MCSD.NET certification. And while being certified is fine for understanding industry-standard terminology and technique, I also have many years of professional coding experience, from .com to Fortune 100 companies. So don't try and belittle me for choosing to code in a language that has a greater value in the business world due to integration with Office, SQL Server, and WSH.

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