I say Boo to remaking games!

ZeroCool2021 · 07-07-2008, 07:31 PM

Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of old school games I would love to see on the zune, but I believe the point of Microsoft releasing a program that lets people make games rather then releasing the games them selves, was to let peoples imaginations go wild! See what people can come up with.
Id much rather see some good NEW Ideas for games "I think most people do"
For Example

But for ALL the programmers on ZuneBoards.com, Keep up the good work.

huffy1991 · 07-07-2008, 08:02 PM

i like the thread, but what do you mean by " I say boo to remaking games"?

The Undead · 07-07-2008, 08:19 PM

like games already made, like my heli game is what he means huffy.

How ever no offense but I make games it is what I want on my zune.

ZeroCool2021 · 07-07-2008, 08:23 PM

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i like the thread, but what do you mean by " I say boo to remaking games"?

I just meant I want to see new ideas rather then make games that were made for different systems "sonic, mario, esc"

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How ever no offense but I make games it is what I want on my zune.

Exactly that's what I meant too, make whatever you want.

LedZepp · 07-07-2008, 08:53 PM

I agree with you 100%, except, you have to realize that XNA for the zune was released only like what, 3 months ago? You have to let developers get familiarized with it first by making games that are already in existence. I would love to create something that hasn't been done before, but i dont have any ideas yet(Which is exactly why we have a request board, but as you might have noticed, its full with "ideas" that are just ports of games)

DiNoGames · 07-08-2008, 01:05 AM

When XNA 3.0 CTP came out I was really excited about it. I was never a fan of redoing games, although I made 4ToWin which provides an old game idea. Running Man, GoldChase and Valgards Fate are things I really enjoyed to do. Unfortunately I don't have the time to finish all the games as soon as some people would like (I am an individual and no team). In addition, making the assets like graphics and sound is a whole lot of fun besides programming. I never understood people who remade a game, using others sprites, others ideas, others sounds, others gameplay and being proud of it. Its like putting a book on a copying machine and being proud of the content.

Anyway, I like this thread. By remaking games, many people proof that they CAN make games. Now they should show that they can make UNIQUE games.... I would really LOVE that!

SimReality · 07-08-2008, 01:31 AM

Hooray for you, ZeroCool. Hooray. I wish there were more people like you. But it isn't surprising that many people just want remakes of the same old, same old. Afterall, why do you think Madden is in three or four of the top 10 selling video games? Because people like what they're used to. They'd rather just keep getting something they know they like rather than try something new. Sequels and remakes are a gigantic part of the games industry, for better or (in my opinion) worse.

But I'm with you. People need to start making more original games period. For the Zune, PC, browser, or whatever platform. Show the world those creative juices!

skyroket · 07-08-2008, 08:35 AM

what creative juices?--like you said, we all want what we already know. Society is full of comfort zones. People dont have imaginations because of some of the crap on tv and certain video games. They would rather sit in front of a tv with a game controller in hand rather than going outside, getting fresh air and enjoying the day God gave them to enjoy. They dont want to use their imagination--it would take too much work.
I would rather play with legos or k-nex over a video game. (dont get me wrong, I enjoy playing games on my zune--there is something unique and interesting about it--especially when bored in a doctors office or waiting room at the dentists...)

soccerfreak24 · 07-08-2008, 08:40 AM

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"I think most people do"

Whats up with the random looking qoute? who said that?

Spike! · 07-08-2008, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by SimReality

Hooray for you, ZeroCool. Hooray. I wish there were more people like you. But it isn't surprising that many people just want remakes of the same old, same old. Afterall, why do you think Madden is in three or four of the top 10 selling video games? Because people like what they're used to. They'd rather just keep getting something they know they like rather than try something new. Sequels and remakes are a gigantic part of the games industry, for better or (in my opinion) worse.

But I'm with you. People need to start making more original games period. For the Zune, PC, browser, or whatever platform. Show the world those creative juices!

Or maybe people simply want re-makes of certain games on other platforms? Please show me where this lawbook is that governs what people are allowed to make, without being bashed for being 'un-origional'.

Justananomaly · 07-08-2008, 09:42 AM

Idea..
Kirby Contracraft Wars!

SimReality · 07-08-2008, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Spike!

Or maybe people simply want re-makes of certain games on other platforms? Please show me where this lawbook is that governs what people are allowed to make, without being bashed for being 'un-origional'.

Why do you always take such great offense to what I say? I'm not bashing anyone directly. I'm just stating my personal opinion on the matter. If you want to disagree, that's fine, but why get all upset just because you don't like my opinion?

ZeroCool2021 · 07-08-2008, 03:06 PM

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Whats up with the random looking qoute? who said that?

I said that. It's like what I was thinking

MarcusMaximus · 07-08-2008, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ZeroCool2021

Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of old school games I would love to see on the zune, but I believe the point of Microsoft releasing a program that lets people make games rather then releasing the games them selves, was to let peoples imaginations go wild! See what people can come up with.
Id much rather see some good NEW Ideas for games "I think most people do"
But for ALL the programmers on ZuneBoards.com, Keep up the good work.

While I agree in principle there are a couple of things you should consider.
1: Most of us developers like to start off with something we already know so we can get accustomed to how XNA on the Zune works. This is why I started off with my pong game.
2: While there are some(read: many) remakes of older games, there are also many original games out there being made such as my Squadron Z and, more recently, Pennington's Jewel and DiNo Games' Gold Chase, which, while based on a kind of pac man, is so different with the 3D view that it deserves to be called original.
3: It's difficult to come up with truly original ideas. Any game currently made borrows at least SOME of it's inspiration from other games and many times it's just a rehash of older styles.

birdman · 07-09-2008, 02:02 AM

I for one love the old classics but ever since someone broke in and stole my damn NES and SNES systems I never get a chance to play any of the games i love, which is why i would love to see them on the zune.

DiNoGames · 07-09-2008, 02:13 AM

The main problem is that no one asks if they are allowed to "cover" games... They just do it, infringe copyrights and no one cares... I don't know what those developers would think if they randomly stumble through this forums and see their own copyrighted games on a platform they never supported... Of course its cool to see pacman and some other games on the Zune, but who asked the copyright-holders? Thats my main complaint...

If I would release Valgards Fate (and I already put tons of work into it) and I'd see it on another platform some years later without being asked, I would be a bit disappointed and maybe angry. It's my game, and I decide what happens to it.

I think thats the point Nick (SimReality) complaints too and gets bad response to it. But its a fact. The creators have to be asked before anyone uses assets or ideas (as long as the things are not public domain of course).

stonejackal · 07-09-2008, 03:51 PM

It comes with time, we're still trying to get comfy with concept of zune games. For independent developers to put as many games forward as they already have in 3 months is a feat in itself.

Bottom line:

Wait it out or learn c#, lol.

PS: If I was a developer, I wouldn't care if a few Zune users hyped on red bull made a port of my game. Just my thoughts

ZeroCool2021 · 07-09-2008, 05:01 PM

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I wouldn't care if a few Zune users hyped on red bull made a port of my game

Lets see your game, Do you have a link?

The Undead · 07-09-2008, 05:58 PM

He is currently working on learning C#. I believe he meant if he had released a game he wouldnt mind. However atleast he is trying to learn.

DiNoGames · 07-09-2008, 11:16 PM

I don't mind about things I put together in some hours, too...

But if I work hard on a project, day by day for months, then I would...

07-07-2008, 07:31 PM	#1 (permalink)
ZeroCool2021 Jr. Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Zune land Posts: 261 Reputation: 14	I say Boo to remaking games! Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of old school games I would love to see on the zune, but I believe the point of Microsoft releasing a program that lets people make games rather then releasing the games them selves, was to let peoples imaginations go wild! See what people can come up with. Id much rather see some good NEW Ideas for games "I think most people do" For Example But for ALL the programmers on ZuneBoards.com, Keep up the good work. __________________ Check out my site "Work In Progress" To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Last edited by ZeroCool2021 : 07-10-2008 at 11:13 PM.

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The Undead Jr. Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 325 Reputation: 91	like games already made, like my heli game is what he means huffy. How ever no offense but I make games it is what I want on my zune. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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LedZepp zB Programmer Experienced Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 975 Reputation: 119	I agree with you 100%, except, you have to realize that XNA for the zune was released only like what, 3 months ago? You have to let developers get familiarized with it first by making games that are already in existence. I would love to create something that hasn't been done before, but i dont have any ideas yet(Which is exactly why we have a request board, but as you might have noticed, its full with "ideas" that are just ports of games) __________________ *To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.*

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DiNoGames zB Programmer Jr. Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Bremen, germany Posts: 454 Reputation: 246	When XNA 3.0 CTP came out I was really excited about it. I was never a fan of redoing games, although I made 4ToWin which provides an old game idea. Running Man, GoldChase and Valgards Fate are things I really enjoyed to do. Unfortunately I don't have the time to finish all the games as soon as some people would like (I am an individual and no team). In addition, making the assets like graphics and sound is a whole lot of fun besides programming. I never understood people who remade a game, using others sprites, others ideas, others sounds, others gameplay and being proud of it. Its like putting a book on a copying machine and being proud of the content. Anyway, I like this thread. By remaking games, many people proof that they CAN make games. Now they should show that they can make UNIQUE games.... I would really LOVE that! __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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skyroket Zuner Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 92 Reputation: 11	what creative juices?--like you said, we all want what we already know. Society is full of comfort zones. People dont have imaginations because of some of the crap on tv and certain video games. They would rather sit in front of a tv with a game controller in hand rather than going outside, getting fresh air and enjoying the day God gave them to enjoy. They dont want to use their imagination--it would take too much work. I would rather play with legos or k-nex over a video game. (dont get me wrong, I enjoy playing games on my zune--there is something unique and interesting about it--especially when bored in a doctors office or waiting room at the dentists...) __________________ Yes, I believe in God.

07-07-2008, 08:02 PM	#2 (permalink)
huffy1991 Experienced Zuner Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 154 Reputation: 12	i like the thread, but what do you mean by " I say boo to remaking games"?

07-08-2008, 01:31 AM	#7 (permalink)
SimReality Jr. Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 410 Reputation: 60	Hooray for you, ZeroCool. Hooray. I wish there were more people like you. But it isn't surprising that many people just want remakes of the same old, same old. Afterall, why do you think Madden is in three or four of the top 10 selling video games? Because people like what they're used to. They'd rather just keep getting something they know they like rather than try something new. Sequels and remakes are a gigantic part of the games industry, for better or (in my opinion) worse. But I'm with you. People need to start making more original games period. For the Zune, PC, browser, or whatever platform. Show the world those creative juices!

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birdman Zune Guardian Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: earth Posts: 758 Reputation: 65	I for one love the old classics but ever since someone broke in and stole my damn NES and SNES systems I never get a chance to play any of the games i love, which is why i would love to see them on the zune. __________________ I don't like you.

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DiNoGames zB Programmer Jr. Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Bremen, germany Posts: 454 Reputation: 246	The main problem is that no one asks if they are allowed to "cover" games... They just do it, infringe copyrights and no one cares... I don't know what those developers would think if they randomly stumble through this forums and see their own copyrighted games on a platform they never supported... Of course its cool to see pacman and some other games on the Zune, but who asked the copyright-holders? Thats my main complaint... If I would release Valgards Fate (and I already put tons of work into it) and I'd see it on another platform some years later without being asked, I would be a bit disappointed and maybe angry. It's my game, and I decide what happens to it. I think thats the point Nick (SimReality) complaints too and gets bad response to it. But its a fact. The creators have to be asked before anyone uses assets or ideas (as long as the things are not public domain of course). __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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stonejackal Squirt Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 26 Reputation: 11	It comes with time, we're still trying to get comfy with concept of zune games. For independent developers to put as many games forward as they already have in 3 months is a feat in itself. Bottom line: Wait it out or learn c#, lol. PS: If I was a developer, I wouldn't care if a few Zune users hyped on red bull made a port of my game. Just my thoughts __________________ Zombies have no feelings. Anyone who tells you otherwise is a liar, communist and probably a zombie.

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The Undead Jr. Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 325 Reputation: 91	He is currently working on learning C#. I believe he meant if he had released a game he wouldnt mind. However atleast he is trying to learn. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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