Need help with fonts

BladedSoldier · 05-26-2008, 01:26 PM

i download the Segoe UI and put it under fonts on windows but i still can't put any games on to my zune with the segoe UI fonts. and those anyone have the Calibri font? Ireally need help here guys.

Scrapz616 · 05-26-2008, 01:34 PM

Make sure you extracted the fonts into the folder and they actually installed.
Does Visual Studio still say you need the Segoe UI Font?
I have the Calibri/Segoe UI fonts, pm me if you want them.

jsedlak · 05-26-2008, 03:39 PM

Don't drag and drop into the folder, drag and drop the file into Control Panel -> Fonts. You should see a dialog that says it is installing. If you are still having issues and haven't done so install Office 2007 or purchase Vista.

SimReality · 05-26-2008, 06:58 PM

Also you guys really shouldn't be handing out those files. Those are licensed fonts and as such it's illegal to distribute them. If you want those two fonts, you need to either install Vista or Office 2007. Otherwise simply edit any .spritefont files in the game project and specify a different font.

jackluo923 · 05-31-2008, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by SimReality

Also you guys really shouldn't be handing out those files. Those are licensed fonts and as such it's illegal to distribute them. If you want those two fonts, you need to either install Vista or Office 2007. Otherwise simply edit any .spritefont files in the game project and specify a different font.

Oh.. I never knew that. Does it mean that i have to remove the "font folder" containing all the fonts needed in the games" off the zuneboards games package?

SimReality · 05-31-2008, 04:42 PM

You really should remove them, yes.

Copyrights, trademarks, and things like that are all rather simple at the core. If you didn't make it, and nobody gave you explicit permission to distribute it, then you don't have that right. Fonts, games, images, names, etc are all covered by this. You can try to claim public domain and whatever, but the fact is that unless explicitly specified otherwise, all items in the United States are default copyrighted to their author; not placed into public domain.

If this community ever wants to be taken seriously, there really needs to start being a moderation of this from a staff level to discourage the piracy of fonts, games, images, etc. Otherwise this board, in the grand scheme of things, will always be regarded as a childish forum where piracy runs rampant. It's hard as a developer to keep coming back here to find people who don't see the problem with this and then find that no staff members are actively trying to stop this behavior.

Sorry for the rant, but again, as a developer this behavior really bothers me.

jackluo923 · 05-31-2008, 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SimReality

You really should remove them, yes.

Copyrights, trademarks, and things like that are all rather simple at the core. If you didn't make it, and nobody gave you explicit permission to distribute it, then you don't have that right. Fonts, games, images, names, etc are all covered by this. You can try to claim public domain and whatever, but the fact is that unless explicitly specified otherwise, all items in the United States are default copyrighted to their author; not placed into public domain.

If this community ever wants to be taken seriously, there really needs to start being a moderation of this from a staff level to discourage the piracy of fonts, games, images, etc. Otherwise this board, in the grand scheme of things, will always be regarded as a childish forum where piracy runs rampant. It's hard as a developer to keep coming back here to find people who don't see the problem with this and then find that no staff members are actively trying to stop this behavior.

Sorry for the rant, but again, as a developer this behavior really bothers me.

I did not know this beforehand. That is why i put your game in the game package without asking your permission.

What if i wrote inside the font folder, " you must have Office 2007 and windows vista in order to install eg. Calibri font". Wouldn't that still be legal since I have office 2007 and I'm not stealing the font. I just uploaded onto a website.

zunebro · 05-31-2008, 07:24 PM

this will be a big problem unless the designers use bmp fonts

jackluo923 · 05-31-2008, 08:07 PM

I think zuneboards should make its own fonts in order to prevent any copyright issues.

zunebro · 05-31-2008, 08:21 PM

here is the official fontpack release by ms. the thing that still needs to be done is for the developers to embed them into the projects instead of us trying to put them in the font folder

http://creators.xna.com/en-us/contentpack/fontpack

SimReality · 05-31-2008, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by jackluo923

Wouldn't that still be legal since I have office 2007 and I'm not stealing the font. I just uploaded onto a website.

You might not be stealing the font, but you are redistributing it without permission which is very much illegal.

The only legal way to get people the Calibri or Segou fonts is to have them purchase and install Windows Vista or Office 2007. Other than that you should recommend they change the .spritefont files in any game to a font available on their machine.

jackluo923 · 05-31-2008, 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SimReality

You might not be stealing the font, but you are redistributing it without permission which is very much illegal.

The only legal way to get people the Calibri or Segou fonts is to have them purchase and install Windows Vista or Office 2007. Other than that you should recommend they change the .spritefont files in any game to a font available on their machine.

It looks like 50% of the games on zuneboards are illegal then if what you're saying is correct. LOL

SimReality · 05-31-2008, 10:54 PM

That is pretty much what I am saying. It sucks as a developer to see this board being completely accepting of piracy and stealing of fonts and so on. I wish the staff here would at least try to discourage it, but they seem to encourage the distribution of these fonts as much as anyone else.

DiNoGames · 06-01-2008, 02:11 AM

There is a way of using the fonts without deploying the truetype font. The game developers can use the precompiled fonts. Deploying the game to the Zune does not necessarily need the fonts to be installed. I recommend this method for all developers who want to use special fonts. I don't think this is illegal. If it is, it must be illegal to hand out printed documents with the font, too. So I guess this is an acceptable solution, don't you think Nick?

SimReality · 06-01-2008, 02:33 AM

I'm no lawyer so I don't know if it's actually any more legal. Technically it's a lot different than handing out printed documents because you cannot take a printed document and create new documents with the font. You could technically take that compiled font and create documents and things with it. It's a pretty gray area and since I'm not a trained lawyer I really can't say if it's legal or not. It also would likely differ font to font because some of them are actually Microsoft property and some are licensed from other companies, so each font could potentially have a different license on it allowing or disallowing different things.

That said it certainly is a better solution, in my eyes, than distributing the font because it shows that you are at least considering the legality of it. Whether it actually is legal or not is a whole other story, though.

zunebro · 06-01-2008, 06:29 AM

in other words convert it into a bitmap and drag a point or two to make it unique lol...

jackluo923 · 06-01-2008, 10:32 AM

Developers can use free fonts or someone from zuneboards make a font for developers to use.

05-26-2008, 01:26 PM	#1 (permalink)
BladedSoldier Zewbie Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 4 Reputation: 10 $zB: 3 Donate	Need help with fonts i download the Segoe UI and put it under fonts on windows but i still can't put any games on to my zune with the segoe UI fonts. and those anyone have the Calibri font? Ireally need help here guys.

05-26-2008, 01:34 PM	#2 (permalink)
Scrapz616 Support Team Super Zuner Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New York Posts: 1,575 Reputation: 122 $zB: 1236 Donate Awards Showcase Total Awards: 1	Make sure you extracted the fonts into the folder and they actually installed. Does Visual Studio still say you need the Segoe UI Font? I have the Calibri/Segoe UI fonts, pm me if you want them. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. *Throw Ya L's Up* To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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jsedlak Experienced Zuner Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 110 Reputation: 22 $zB: 93 Donate	Don't drag and drop into the folder, drag and drop the file into Control Panel -> Fonts. You should see a dialog that says it is installing. If you are still having issues and haven't done so install Office 2007 or purchase Vista. __________________ John Sedlak Microsoft Xna / DirectX MVP To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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SimReality Jr. Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 398 Reputation: 60 $zB: 341 Donate	Also you guys really shouldn't be handing out those files. Those are licensed fonts and as such it's illegal to distribute them. If you want those two fonts, you need to either install Vista or Office 2007. Otherwise simply edit any .spritefont files in the game project and specify a different font. __________________ Nick Gravelyn Microsoft MVP - DirectX/XNA To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

05-31-2008, 04:42 PM	#6 (permalink)
SimReality Jr. Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 398 Reputation: 60 $zB: 341 Donate	You really should remove them, yes. Copyrights, trademarks, and things like that are all rather simple at the core. If you didn't make it, and nobody gave you explicit permission to distribute it, then you don't have that right. Fonts, games, images, names, etc are all covered by this. You can try to claim public domain and whatever, but the fact is that unless explicitly specified otherwise, all items in the United States are default copyrighted to their author; not placed into public domain. If this community ever wants to be taken seriously, there really needs to start being a moderation of this from a staff level to discourage the piracy of fonts, games, images, etc. Otherwise this board, in the grand scheme of things, will always be regarded as a childish forum where piracy runs rampant. It's hard as a developer to keep coming back here to find people who don't see the problem with this and then find that no staff members are actively trying to stop this behavior. Sorry for the rant, but again, as a developer this behavior really bothers me. __________________ Nick Gravelyn Microsoft MVP - DirectX/XNA To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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05-31-2008, 07:24 PM	#8 (permalink)
zunebro Experienced Zuner Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 187 Reputation: 16 $zB: 161 Donate	this will be a big problem unless the designers use bmp fonts

05-31-2008, 08:07 PM	#9 (permalink)
jackluo923 Support Team Senior Zuner Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Greater Vancouver BC Posts: 1,275 Reputation: 122 $zB: 759 Donate	I think zuneboards should make its own fonts in order to prevent any copyright issues.

05-31-2008, 08:21 PM	#10 (permalink)
zunebro Experienced Zuner Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 187 Reputation: 16 $zB: 161 Donate	here is the official fontpack release by ms. the thing that still needs to be done is for the developers to embed them into the projects instead of us trying to put them in the font folder http://creators.xna.com/en-us/contentpack/fontpack

05-31-2008, 10:54 PM	#13 (permalink)
SimReality Jr. Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 398 Reputation: 60 $zB: 341 Donate	That is pretty much what I am saying. It sucks as a developer to see this board being completely accepting of piracy and stealing of fonts and so on. I wish the staff here would at least try to discourage it, but they seem to encourage the distribution of these fonts as much as anyone else. __________________ Nick Gravelyn Microsoft MVP - DirectX/XNA To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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DiNoGames zB Programmer Jr. Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Bremen, germany Posts: 341 Reputation: 100 $zB: 253 Donate	There is a way of using the fonts without deploying the truetype font. The game developers can use the precompiled fonts. Deploying the game to the Zune does not necessarily need the fonts to be installed. I recommend this method for all developers who want to use special fonts. I don't think this is illegal. If it is, it must be illegal to hand out printed documents with the font, too. So I guess this is an acceptable solution, don't you think Nick? __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

06-01-2008, 02:33 AM	#15 (permalink)
SimReality Jr. Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 398 Reputation: 60 $zB: 341 Donate	I'm no lawyer so I don't know if it's actually any more legal. Technically it's a lot different than handing out printed documents because you cannot take a printed document and create new documents with the font. You could technically take that compiled font and create documents and things with it. It's a pretty gray area and since I'm not a trained lawyer I really can't say if it's legal or not. It also would likely differ font to font because some of them are actually Microsoft property and some are licensed from other companies, so each font could potentially have a different license on it allowing or disallowing different things. That said it certainly is a better solution, in my eyes, than distributing the font because it shows that you are at least considering the legality of it. Whether it actually is legal or not is a whole other story, though. __________________ Nick Gravelyn Microsoft MVP - DirectX/XNA To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

06-01-2008, 06:29 AM	#16 (permalink)
zunebro Experienced Zuner Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 187 Reputation: 16 $zB: 161 Donate	in other words convert it into a bitmap and drag a point or two to make it unique lol...

06-01-2008, 10:32 AM	#17 (permalink)
jackluo923 Support Team Senior Zuner Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Greater Vancouver BC Posts: 1,275 Reputation: 122 $zB: 759 Donate	Developers can use free fonts or someone from zuneboards make a font for developers to use.

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