3d games on zune?

chi · 02-28-2008, 02:51 PM

do you know how in the promo vids of zuneon youtube, theyshowed a 3d racing game, i think tht u will be able toplay 3d games becase this pdf http://www.silica.com/fileadmin/02_P..._2006_1-12.pdf
states that the zune processor can support 3d graphics!!!!!
idk really so ifi am wrong plz do not yell at me, i am a noob
it says it supports 2d/3d grafics support with open gl acceleration!!

LedZepp · 02-28-2008, 04:43 PM

Well if you were to read the full line it says:

Quote:

2D/3D graphics acceleration with open GL support (Not in L version)

The zune has the Freescale iMX31L processor which is the L version that they speak of.

PityOnU · 02-28-2008, 05:18 PM

There is no graphics accellerator in the Zune, so no 3D games. Period. This is coming directly from the XNA team, so it is an accepted fact.

wyckedcombo17 · 02-28-2008, 05:57 PM

so then theyll all be platform type games and nothing like in the video sneek peek thing?

Xodus · 02-28-2008, 06:16 PM

That sneak peak thing is not a zune thing, it's an XNA thing.

sonicgeek · 02-28-2008, 06:25 PM

I just hope they give us games in a reasonable amount of time.

wyckedcombo17 · 02-28-2008, 06:25 PM

but they just showed it on a zune?

Xodus · 02-28-2008, 09:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wyckedcombo17

but they just showed it on a zune?

Not the racing game? The zune doesn't allow 3D.

And the games will come plenty fast for the zune.

Omnidragon · 02-28-2008, 10:37 PM

they have only shows Zunai on the zune the other vids even the ones posted here have nothing to do with the zune

chi · 03-01-2008, 08:28 AM

ty for clearing tht up!

LedZepp · 03-01-2008, 11:00 AM

You will be able to make imitation 3d games but it will be
a) hard to code(for big games, its easy if you just wanna show a spinning square or something)
b) use up more RAM which you only have 16mb to begin with

So it will be pretty useless to make them unless you just wanna make a certain shape spin then you can just make images of a 3d cube that turns or flips or something, and then with the XNA programming import the pics into your project, code to load them into RAM on the zune and just loop the pictures and have a certain button exit.

Games that arent 3d are still going to be good, check out flash games (in essence thats the kind of games people will make) there is only a couple 3d flash games and everything else is 2d and their interesting/fun anyway.

Trogdor · 03-01-2008, 12:23 PM

2d games with 3d sprites is about as far as you can go

happyface_0 · 03-03-2008, 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LedZepp

So it will be pretty useless to make them unless you just wanna make a certain shape spin then you can just make images of a 3d cube that turns or flips or something, and then with the XNA programming import the pics into your project, code to load them into RAM on the zune and just loop the pictures and have a certain button exit.

That has got to be the worst way to make a 3d cube without 3d rendering I have ever heard.

cheeZ · 04-30-2008, 08:09 PM

Aww, 3D games on the zune woulda been SO AWESOME! I knew it was too good to be true...

But who cares! I'm still PSYCHED to even get any games on the zune at all!!! w00t!!!

ConayR · 05-07-2008, 08:26 AM

Well, I wrote a small software renderer. 3D is possible on Zune although it's pretty slow (I have about 100 Gouraud shaded polygons on the screen with no zbuffer implemented yet and I'm down to 18FPS rendering scene fullscreen). So it is doable with some hacks and e.g. 2D scrolling background. Drawing flat shaded objects can be achieved in solid 25FPS though. Shading and texturing is hard since you have to interpolate values yourself and that gets pretty expensive.

Techy Dude · 05-07-2008, 11:36 AM

darn i wanted 3d games hopefully they will have some good 2d ones

Rockman87 · 05-10-2008, 10:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PityOnU

There is no graphics accellerator in the Zune, so no 3D games. Period. This is coming directly from the XNA team, so it is an accepted fact.

Actual the zune can play 3d graphics. The zune team created a game the first day xna 3.0 came out. It was a 8 player 3D first person shooter. The 3D graphics were all software rendered. Your right that the zune cannot accelerate the 3D... but it can be done with software

Bman22 · 05-10-2008, 06:46 PM

that may or may not be true, but with the limited power of the Zune CPU, it would be laggy as can be. The zune just doesn't have the power to pull of a good software rendered 3d model.

Marshillboy · 05-10-2008, 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bman22

that may or may not be true, but with the limited power of the Zune CPU, it would be laggy as can be. The zune just doesn't have the power to pull of a good software rendered 3d model.

What do you expect? It's a media player, not a PSP.

RandomVictim · 05-13-2008, 05:24 PM

3D games were around before there were dedicated 3D processors. Maybe someone will be able to throw together a ray-casting engine. I have a ray-casting based 3D game on my calculator, I'm sure the zune can handle it.

I understand that ray-casting isn't the "3D graphics" you speak of but its a step above any of the current zune games available I'm a C++ programmer and very much dislike C# or else I would do it myself.

Highly reduced ray casting though, the graphics would be pretty garbage, below Wolfenstein 3D engine quality.

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chi Experienced Zuner Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 197 Reputation: 11 $zB: 102 Donate	3d games on zune? do you know how in the promo vids of zuneon youtube, theyshowed a 3d racing game, i think tht u will be able toplay 3d games becase this pdf http://www.silica.com/fileadmin/02_P..._2006_1-12.pdf states that the zune processor can support 3d graphics!!!!! idk really so ifi am wrong plz do not yell at me, i am a noob it says it supports 2d/3d grafics support with open gl acceleration!! __________________ C BROWN ZUNE ROXORZ:shocked::shocked:

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02-28-2008, 05:18 PM	#3 (permalink)
PityOnU Super Zuner Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: In the real world Posts: 1,983 Reputation: 134 $zB: 159 Donate	There is no graphics accellerator in the Zune, so no 3D games. Period. This is coming directly from the XNA team, so it is an accepted fact.

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Xodus Squirt Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 15 Reputation: 10 $zB: 13 Donate	That sneak peak thing is not a zune thing, it's an XNA thing.

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chi Experienced Zuner Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 197 Reputation: 11 $zB: 102 Donate	ty for clearing tht up! __________________ C BROWN ZUNE ROXORZ:shocked::shocked:

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LedZepp Jr. Staff Hacks and Mods Crew Zune Guardian Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 689 Reputation: 80 $zB: 370 Donate	You will be able to make imitation 3d games but it will be a) hard to code(for big games, its easy if you just wanna show a spinning square or something) b) use up more RAM which you only have 16mb to begin with So it will be pretty useless to make them unless you just wanna make a certain shape spin then you can just make images of a 3d cube that turns or flips or something, and then with the XNA programming import the pics into your project, code to load them into RAM on the zune and just loop the pictures and have a certain button exit. Games that arent 3d are still going to be good, check out flash games (in essence thats the kind of games people will make) there is only a couple 3d flash games and everything else is 2d and their interesting/fun anyway.

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cheeZ Jr. Zuner Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: i forgot. Posts: 46 Reputation: 13 $zB: 43 Donate	Aww, 3D games on the zune woulda been SO AWESOME! I knew it was too good to be true... But who cares! I'm still PSYCHED to even get any games on the zune at all!!! w00t!!! Last edited by cheeZ : 04-30-2008 at 08:12 PM.

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ConayR Zewbie Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 1 Reputation: 10 $zB: 1 Donate	Well, I wrote a small software renderer. 3D is possible on Zune although it's pretty slow (I have about 100 Gouraud shaded polygons on the screen with no zbuffer implemented yet and I'm down to 18FPS rendering scene fullscreen). So it is doable with some hacks and e.g. 2D scrolling background. Drawing flat shaded objects can be achieved in solid 25FPS though. Shading and texturing is hard since you have to interpolate values yourself and that gets pretty expensive.

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Techy Dude Experienced Zuner Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 244 Reputation: 10 $zB: 254 Donate	darn i wanted 3d games hopefully they will have some good 2d ones

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Bman22 Support Team Experienced Zuner Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Albuquerque, NM Posts: 237 Reputation: 28 $zB: 87 Donate	that may or may not be true, but with the limited power of the Zune CPU, it would be laggy as can be. The zune just doesn't have the power to pull of a good software rendered 3d model. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. thanks to To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. for the sig To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 0 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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RandomVictim Zewbie Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 3 Reputation: 10 $zB: 2 Donate	3D games were around before there were dedicated 3D processors. Maybe someone will be able to throw together a ray-casting engine. I have a ray-casting based 3D game on my calculator, I'm sure the zune can handle it. I understand that ray-casting isn't the "3D graphics" you speak of but its a step above any of the current zune games available I'm a C++ programmer and very much dislike C# or else I would do it myself. Highly reduced ray casting though, the graphics would be pretty garbage, below Wolfenstein 3D engine quality. Last edited by RandomVictim : 05-13-2008 at 05:45 PM.

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