censorship

[David]

I didn't notice any threads like this so.... here goes.

Censorship is useless, It degrades the quality of the media, and ruins the message of the artists.

parents who don't want their kids to listen to "bad" music have plenty of available tools to keeps their kids from doing so. They can use the "V" chip, movie ratings, channel blockers, parental advisory stickers, lyrics. There is no excuse of "I didn't know that the cd had such horrible language in it."

As long as there are "safe" things to listen to or to watch, there should be no reason to censor anything. No one forces offensive material into your home. You let it in.

How about you grow up: Someone complaining about me cussing just reminds me of a child who heard a bad word. They say "please don't say that, it's not a very nice word." So I tell them "why it's a bad word? It isn't, unless you want it to be."

Some people say "they're used to insult people" well, so are other words, words that are considered good. I saw an orbit commercial where people where using all these random words in order to insult the person next to them. The words that they used weren't considered bad, but they had the same message as "**** you!"

So if it's ok to say "**** you" with other words, why isn't it ok to say them with the real words? If it has the same message, why shouldn't it be censored?

Censoring words is also completely pointless, how many of you don't know what I said in this line of text:

f*ck you, you're nothing but an as* *ole, g** *amn it!

that's what you would hear if someone said it on tv, or in a song. Even if they bleep it out all the way you can still understand what they said by the context of the words around it.

I've heard people claim that music should be censored because it caused more murders and suicide. Even if that was true, (which it's not) censoring the bad words wouldn't help the situation. The song is still there, and there are still uncensored versions of it out there.

I think that it's ok that Walmart, and other big businesses only sell censored music. It only proves that there are other alternatives to listen to something if you don't want to listen to offensive material.

Well, I hope there are some people who disagree with me, so I'll be able to argue with them.

[MajerPayne]

I agree censorship is useless and retarded

[theDark]

Why censor stuff? If no words where censored then there would be no words which where considered censorship worthy and therefore no bad words...After all they are only words.

[David]

damn it... everyone agrees with me. ****!!!!

[jmslew]

The only thing I can say is that people should not have to block whole channels to provide their kids with profanity free tv.

Example:
You can say ass in commercials and those commercials could be run on a channel that you let your children have access to because the programming on that channel is ok.

I think censorship could be dealt with a lot more efficiently and effectively, but I don't mind it, I hear the most profane language out of anyone I have ever known almost all day long...and I am guilty of spitting it out sometimes too...bad Marine habit. One thing I always do though, if I am anywhere near children or out in public, I make sure I am not spitting out a bunch of profane language in front of anyone else's child, as I would appreciate that someone would do the same for me. And that is not really on the subject of censorship in the way you were indicating though...as far as public broadcasting, I think it is handled fairly well. And while censorship is something many don't agree with...it is something I find somewhat necessary (at least to a point). Saying nothing should ever be censored is like going to a school and saying there should be no rules.

[David]

the thing is... you don't have to block the whole channel. If your tv has a V chip it will only block certain shows with specific ratings.

Besides... It doesn't bother me if a commercial is censored. They can completely censor a commercial for all I care. I (my mom) don't (doesn't) pay a monthly fee to watch commercials. I do mind when TV That is payed for is censored. And if I do want uncensored tv, I have to pay extra for premium channels. I think that the people who want censored tv should pay extra. They're the ones who request extra service, and extra work.

Also... about the bad words in commercials... they don't air commercials like that on the Disney channel.

btw, I hold my tongue in front of adults and children too. I don't want to force my language on anyone. Unlike the people who support censorship... who want to force their opinion of what if right on me.

[jmslew]

Well, I have never used the vchip and probably never will. The only thing I can say is, if it's on the network, it's possible for cross contamination/accidental broadcasting to occur. Here's a perfect example, albeit rare: http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline...j_kids_ge.html

Even the Disney channel can contain anything on the network...

Oh, and my comment about my conduct and choice of words in public was not a 'push' for anything, nor was it an implication that you might not do it. Just want to clarify that just in case you somehow took that as me implying that you don't care (that's not what I meant by it ).

[E.Dan]

Censorship is the first step to controlling the people's freedom.

[crimsonwolf]

Originally Posted by gold.n.god

damn it... everyone agrees with me. ****!!!!

Altough I agree with you as well, you do realize you censored yourself right?

[Cursemaster0]

Well considereing the fact that most kids already know what the word it and what it means and prob. use it more thatn they hear it......

[jmslew]

Originally Posted by Gow

Censorship is the first step to controlling the people's freedom.

True, but there is always a factor that can be brought in to point. If you are all for absolutley NO censorship at all, then would you also be for NO laws? NO rules in schools? Censoring profane words is not equivalent to censoring the right for someone to make a point.

[E.Dan]

I am not talking anarchy, but censoring some words completely would be bad. I think the rating system actually is good and is doing what is designed for on Television. The MPAA rating system needs to be overhauled because some great movies are rated R for just saying the word F (rhymes with duck) more than once.

Attacking the porno industry is also wrong. I can understand keeping it out the hands of the "innocent" but to shut it down completely...not so good.

All I suggest is that with each thought of censoring something that this question be asked, "Does this go against the first amendment?"

Of course, I am all for censoring information that is military, because lives are at risk if that information is given to the public because it will than fall into the hands of enemy combatants who will turn around and use it. So, telling the world how the military operates in this certain situation or how they act while they are POW on video is wrong.

The first amendment was not written so that it would kill people but protect their right to speak out against the Government. A right that was taken away by the British, which most the first 10 Amendments or Bill of Rights are all products of British Colonial Rule.

Example, right to bear arms was made to ensure that the people could bear arms against a tyrannical government. Written because the British took the colony's right to bear arms away.

So on and so forth.

Each amendment has a sensible stopping point, it was just the Founding Fathers figured that we could figure that out.

[David]

Originally Posted by crimsonwolf

Altough I agree with you as well, you do realize you censored yourself right?

hahahahahahahahahaha

you know that this forum is censored right? watch


**** **** *******
f*ck sh!t a$$hole (what got censored by the forum.)

[David]

Originally Posted by jmslew

Well, I have never used the vchip and probably never will. The only thing I can say is, if it's on the network, it's possible for cross contamination/accidental broadcasting to occur. Here's a perfect example, albeit rare: http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline...j_kids_ge.html

Even the Disney channel can contain anything on the network...

Oh, and my comment about my conduct and choice of words in public was not a 'push' for anything, nor was it an implication that you might not do it. Just want to clarify that just in case you somehow took that as me implying that you don't care (that's not what I meant by it ).

sorry for double post... anyway

that was a mistake by comcast if I remember correctly... If the parents had a "V" chip, or had those bad porno channels blocked, their kids wouldn't have been able to watch it... they would try to change the channel, and the vchip/channel blocker would just block it.

the vchip goes off of the rating, not the specific channel.

channels blocks are the same. it'll block the network, not the channel number

[arukaene]

i don't see anything wrong with public censorship, so long as we are still free to whatever media we deem fit in our homes/property/etc

[David]

Originally Posted by arukaene

i don't see anything wrong with public censorship, so long as we are still free to whatever media we deem fit in our homes/property/etc

but we aren't free to, channels like comedy central and fx are censored... those are channels that are paid for, not public.

The law makes those channels censor their programs, so it takes away their freedom to air what I payed for, and take away my right to watch the original program.

with this current law on censorship, the only way I can get an un-censored version of a tv show is to buy it on dvd... that's a pretty ****ed up law.

unless it's a show on a "premium" channel. those are the channels that can afford to pay the government to let them air un-regulated content. that's pretty ****ed up too.

[kosh]

You don't pay for what you see on TV you pay the cable company who purchases the rights to broadcast those programs over their data lines. The commercials you see for most TV are sponsors who pay the studios to make the programs. Comedy central and FX sees $0 of your cable bill. Other commercials are paying the service provider to keep up with the cost of getting the product to your house.

What I don't like is having other people decide what I should be offended by. The only reason words are bad are because people treat them bad. I think fuxx is a great word and I use it every day.

What is so bad about naked people anyway? Is anyone really getting hurt? If a 12 year old sees boobs on TV is it really going to do anything to them (other than maybe a little stimulation)? Why is a naked body an offensive thing?

[David]

Originally Posted by kosh

You don't pay for what you see on TV you pay the cable company who purchases the rights to broadcast those programs over their data lines. The commercials you see for most TV are sponsors who pay the studios to make the programs. Comedy central and FX sees $0 of your cable bill. Other commercials are paying the service provider to keep up with the cost of getting the product to your house.

What I don't like is having other people decide what I should be offended by. The only reason words are bad are because people treat them bad. I think fuxx is a great word and I use it every day.

What is so bad about naked people anyway? Is anyone really getting hurt? If a 12 year old sees boobs on TV is it really going to do anything to them (other than maybe a little stimulation)? Why is a naked body an offensive thing?

ok... that's all true... I don't really know what you mean about the first statement though... what does that have to do with cencorship... my point is that there is no free was to watch FX or cemedy central, or any other station similar to those.

What i'm saying is:
I pay for it and it is mine. Which makes it private, not public.

there is no public way to get access to FX. it's payed for by the consumer.

basically what i'm trying to say is that the FCC is taking away too much of my freedom, I know it might not seem like a big deal to some people. But like Gow said... "Censorship is the first step to controlling the people's freedom."

[kosh]

^ you just quote and don't comment?