Barack Obama

[jmmhooper]

Has anyone read were he is referred to as the African American Presidential candidate?

I have yet to see that and I really don't think he will be referred to as such. I think they will always call him the black presidential candidate?

Your thoughts?

[Zuneologist]

yes I've read and he is always referred as such.
I think thats significant and it'll always be there right next to his name or any African American running, because of how far this country has come.

Geez, you go back 30-40 yrs , a Black man couldn't walk into a Southern restaurant in places like Texas where I'm from.

Until you actually have an African American take the office of the President, that "title" will always be put to any up and coming man running for the presidency

[Samurai]

Hilliary's running too. I personally like Obamba and would vote for him if I could.

[jmmhooper]

I am worried if a democrat is elected. That is when the next terrorist attack on US soil will happen mark my words. They want to cut and run.

[Zuneologist]

Originally Posted by Samurai

Hilliary's running too. I personally like Obamba and would vote for him if I could.

well i want to learn more about Obama before my vote goes that way. But the next election will certainly be interesting.
I mean the biggest candidates are Clinton, Obama, Edwards. not that big of a pool yet..and if you select from that pool, 2 out of 3 candidates will make history based on their background.

Originally Posted by jmmhooper

I am worried if a democrat is elected. That is when the next terrorist attack on US soil will happen mark my words. They want to cut and run.

hah, well your certainly entitled to your opinion

[jmmhooper]

"hah, well your certainly entitled to your opinion"

Thanks I was worried about it on this board, but hey lets see who posts attacking me

[Mitch]

I'm willing to bet there is another terrorist attack no matter who is in office next. The terrorists are just going to see how the new pres reacts. I'm republican myself and I will be voting in the next election. There are a few democrats i would vote for if they were to run....Tommy Thompson and Rudi Giuliani...most people probably don't know Tommy, he was governor of Wisconsin for like 12 years or something, did an amazing job here, top schools in the nation. I doubt either of them will run but both are great leaders. As for Obama....I'm not a big fan of him yet. And I don't really like Mrs. Clinton either.

[jmmhooper]

I would back Democrats if they had a plan. As it is now all they do is criticize without offering an alternative plan. If I am missing it please enlighten me.

[Zuneologist]

Originally Posted by Mitch

I'm willing to bet there is another terrorist attack no matter who is in office next. The terrorists are just going to see how the new pres reacts. I'm republican myself and I will be voting in the next election. There are a few democrats i would vote for if they were to run....Tommy Thompson and Rudi Giuliani...most people probably don't know Tommy, he was governor of Wisconsin for like 12 years or something, did an amazing job here, top schools in the nation. I doubt either of them will run but both are great leaders. As for Obama....I'm not a big fan of him yet. And I don't really like Mrs. Clinton either.

well, doesnt matter who is going to be in the office, there will always be terrorists. somewhat like, even if you kill of Bin Laden, there will be another one who takes his place after some time.

Concerning your thoughts, yeah i was suprised Rudi Giuliani didnt want to run for office. i think he makes a good leader with a good personality.

To me what really matters regardless of who is going to be in the office:
in no specific order a) security b) Iraq c) education d) economy, etc..etc..

[jmslew]

Originally Posted by Mitch

I'm willing to bet there is another terrorist attack no matter who is in office next. The terrorists are just going to see how the new pres reacts. I'm republican myself and I will be voting in the next election. There are a few democrats i would vote for if they were to run....Tommy Thompson and Rudi Giuliani...most people probably don't know Tommy, he was governor of Wisconsin for like 12 years or something, did an amazing job here, top schools in the nation. I doubt either of them will run but both are great leaders. As for Obama....I'm not a big fan of him yet. And I don't really like Mrs. Clinton either.

Rudi Giuliani is a republican...

Democrats want socialization. Socialization looks good on paper to those who overlook what it really does. What it really does is degrade quality of any service that has gone socialized. And elitists (99% of democratic liberals) don't want you to know that. They want to keep living their lavish or current lifestyles paid for by you, as you sit there and get the worst services possible and can do nothing about it. I don't know if it's that people don't realize that Democrats want the Federal Government to have control over EVERYTHING or they want to be like a heard of cows being bossed around by the government... I think they also don't realize that they will sit out there and spill their guts, but those politicians could care less about the individual citizen. If they cared about individual citizens, they would not want be in charge via the Federal Government. Republicans believe in state and local governments. I am a big fan of this because it is what allows me to have a say so in my state and local policies and laws. It is also what makes places different. I grew up in The Woodlands, TX. It is booming now with entrepreuners and local shops and great hard working people. I now live in Odenton, MD. The crime rate in MD is high, the work ethics of most people in the area suck and prices and taxes are ridiculous. Not to mention IHOP closes...CLOSES!!! IHOP!!! There is almost no 24 hour anything, leaving me getting off at work a lot of times really late and/or well into the morning with nowhere to get food, gas up my car etc... Two very different state and local governments. No thank you Mr. Obama or Mrs. Clinton. Not to mention people confide in democrats and liberals to be the ones to 'look out for them' yet socialization could not be more far from the truth. This has a lot to do with Democrats agreeing with idiotic polls to gain votes and power. Makes me sick.

[David]

Originally Posted by jmslew

Rudi Giuliani is a republican...

Democrats want socialization. Socialization looks good on paper to those who overlook what it really does. What it really does is degrade quality of any service that has gone socialized. And elitists (99% of democratic liberals) don't want you to know that. They want to keep living their lavish or current lifestyles paid for by you, as you sit there and get the worst services possible and can do nothing about it. I don't know if it's that people don't realize that Democrats want the Federal Government to have control over EVERYTHING or they want to be like a heard of cows being bossed around by the government... I think they also don't realize that they will sit out there and spill their guts, but those politicians could care less about the individual citizen. If they cared about individual citizens, they would not want be in charge via the Federal Government. Republicans believe in state and local governments. I am a big fan of this because it is what allows me to have a say so in my state and local policies and laws. It is also what makes places different. I grew up in The Woodlands, TX. It is booming now with entrepreuners and local shops and great hard working people. I now live in Odenton, MD. The crime rate in MD is high, the work ethics of most people in the area suck and prices and taxes are ridiculous. Not to mention IHOP closes...CLOSES!!! IHOP!!! There is almost no 24 hour anything, leaving me getting off at work a lot of times really late and/or well into the morning with nowhere to get food, gas up my car etc... Two very different state and local governments. No thank you Mr. Obama or Mrs. Clinton. Not to mention people confide in democrats and liberals to be the ones to 'look out for them' yet socialization could not be more far from the truth. This has a lot to do with Democrats agreeing with idiotic polls to gain votes and power. Makes me sick.

.......... did you type this while watching Bill O'Reilly.... Democrats aren't socialists they're DEMOCRATS, They want things like flat taxes and more gonernment relation in businesses, they don't want to be communists, they just want the federal government to have a little more power...

[IOIOIO]

Well, I just can't see why yankees don't call european-american to those who are.
Neither do I see a reason for such black and proud, you are who you are :P.
Well, those who said Democrats are socialists, I dunno, but the west-european model of "socialims" does the job quite nicely.
And frankly I don't think the President, but who he chooses to be surrounded by, are the true call makers, and well, not to disappoint you, but pretty much every country has its power on the money guys

[jmslew]

Originally Posted by gold.n.god

.......... did you type this while watching Bill O'Reilly.... Democrats aren't socialists they're DEMOCRATS, They want things like flat taxes and more gonernment relation in businesses, they don't want to be communists, they just want the federal government to have a little more power...

Well, first off I don't watch Bill O'Reilly unless I am looking for some sort of comic relief. Seconly, I did not call any democrat a socialist, I just said they want socialization...which they do... They want the federal government (i.e. them) to be in control of sevices and to make everything the same or close to the same, in terms of who gets what service, they want the same sevice for all. I find this so ironic as the democrats and liberals are the ones that are so against censorship and are for being able to say and do what you want, yet they want to in a way, censor my ability to choose...goes hand in hand with them following polls and doing whatever they can to gain as many votes possible from anyone....and I don't think I mentioned anything about them wanting to be communists either...so don't know where you got that from.

[David]

Originally Posted by jmslew

Well, first off I don't watch Bill O'Reilly unless I am looking for some sort of comic relief. Seconly, I did not call any democrat a socialist, I just said they want socialization...which they do... They want the federal government (i.e. them) to be in control of sevices and to make everything the same or close to the same, in terms of who gets what service, they want the same sevice for all. I find this so ironic as the democrats and liberals are the ones that are so against censorship and are for being able to say and do what you want, yet they want to in a way, censor my ability to choose...goes hand in hand with them following polls and doing whatever they can to gain as many votes possible from anyone....and I don't think I mentioned anything about them wanting to be communists either...so don't know where you got that from.

well... you're right I'll concede to you. Democrats do want everything to be fair and balanced, You are right.. But they can't take away your choice. They can make it easier, or harder for you to choose something.

Maybe I don't understand. Can you give me an example of how they can take away your choice?

Also, why do you say that 99% of democratic liberals are elitists?
Did you know that 65.3% of all statistics are made off the top of someone's head?(little joke)
But I don't know if 99% of liberal democrats are elitists... Wasn't elitists one of those words that the republican's started using as a term of evil? Words like Liberal, and phrases like "Cut and Run."

it seems to me like you've been watching/listening to some propaganda.

[jmslew]

Here are some examples:
1) All eight Democratic candidates (who are pushing environmentally friendly agendas) flew in separate private jets. They can do it, but you will be scorned for doing it. -->elitist ideal
2) John Edwards using campaign money for his $400 Hollwood haircuts...that's pretty elitist..."all those who contribute to me, not only help out in my campaign, but they help me retain my lavish lifestyle" --> that's pretty arrogant....
3) as for taking away our choices...take health care for example, if it gets socialized, will YOU have the right to refuse service from the doctor the government chooses to assign to you, in favor of another, more well practiced doctor? The answer is likely, no. Additionally, do you think that YOU will have the decision to keep a family member on life support, in the hopes of them actually coming out of a coma, or bad ailment? Probably won't have much choice there beyond a certain point.

That is what I was referring to.

As for me watching/listening to propaganda, ummm....because of my job, I would say, rest assured, that I know quite a bit about what the hell is going on in Iraq, and it is part of my job to keep a very very close eye on politics as it effects me directly, and it is something that anyone in any military service should be well aware of. I have lost friends in Iraq and I dare not stand by and let politicians throw there hard work out because they need to be elected and will stoop to any level necessary to do so. Seems like today, Democrats follow polls to gain votes. And someone weak enough to not be able to make up their own damn mind and stick to a plan isn't getting my vote.

[Marshillboy]

Originally Posted by jmmhooper

I am worried if a democrat is elected. That is when the next terrorist attack on US soil will happen mark my words. They want to cut and run.

Quoted for truth. A democrat president will just sit on his lard letting the terrorists do their damage while bringing our troops out of Iraq, which will further encourage terrorists. Don't you think a retreat would embolden the terrorists just a LITTLE?

[David]

I don't think that we should pull our troops either, I just don't agree that all democrats or even most of them are evil politicians.

It's true that some of them have done some pretty bad things, but so did the other side. There probably isn't a single presidential candidate for the up and coming election that has a completely clean slate.

I don't agree with the idea of socialized med. I think that there are better ways to reform our health care system than that.

But even if our health care system does go federal, we will not be obligated to do anything. we will still be able to choose doctors, and other important decisions will be up to us. And if i'm wrong about that, there will undoubtibly be other choices for health insurance.

[jmslew]

Originally Posted by gold.n.god

I don't think that we should pull our troops either, I just don't agree that all democrats or even most of them are evil politicians.

It's true that some of them have done some pretty bad things, but so did the other side. There probably isn't a single presidential candidate for the up and coming election that has a completely clean slate.

I don't agree with the idea of socialized med. I think that there are better ways to reform our health care system than that.

But even if our health care system does go federal, we will not be obligated to do anything. we will still be able to choose doctors, and other important decisions will be up to us. And if i'm wrong about that, there will undoubtibly be other choices for health insurance.

I don't think they are evil, but I didn't say that either...I am just very very outspoken on what they consistently try to push because I don't agree with it.

I am also not saying that republicans have 'clean slates'. Everyone makes mistakes and should be forgiven.

I agree with you on the med stuff...except the part about if it goes federal, we will not be obligated to do anything....I know the government can't just pull money out of the air...we will be paying for it via taxes, and taxes are something I pay rather than get thrown in the slammer. Taxes are not optional (legally, anyway). As for choosing doctors and still having privatized healthcare, that is going to depend very heavily on how they go about socializing it, should they try to do so. One thing's for sure, if you thought we had leeches on our social services already, those have just begun if med goes socialized, not to mention illegal immigrants taking advantage of it (but that's another debate). I was watching some show that covered this skater guy's really bad crash in Canada. He goes on saying something like, "It's good to see the socialized healthcare working how it's supposed to be here in Canada.". The later he says, "Yeah that ended up costing me a lot of money."!?!?!?!?

[David]

Originally Posted by jmslew

I don't think they are evil, but I didn't say that either...I am just very very outspoken on what they consistently try to push because I don't agree with it.

I am also not saying that republicans have 'clean slates'. Everyone makes mistakes and should be forgiven.

I agree with you on the med stuff...except the part about if it goes federal, we will not be obligated to do anything....I know the government can't just pull money out of the air...we will be paying for it via taxes, and taxes are something I pay rather than get thrown in the slammer. Taxes are not optional (legally, anyway). As for choosing doctors and still having privatized healthcare, that is going to depend very heavily on how they go about socializing it, should they try to do so. One thing's for sure, if you thought we had leeches on our social services already, those have just begun if med goes socialized, not to mention illegal immigrants taking advantage of it (but that's another debate). I was watching some show that covered this skater guy's really bad crash in Canada. He goes on saying something like, "It's good to see the socialized healthcare working how it's supposed to be here in Canada.". The later he says, "Yeah that ended up costing me a lot of money."!?!?!?!?

I think that we're a little off subject, but I don't care. I don't think that either of us have an un-clouded opinion of the idea of federal health care. (both of us probably have affordable health insurance, or a parent who does)

Think about all the people who can't afford health insurance, or don't have a job that provides insurance for them. I'm sure that they're willing to work with, and fix any problems that socialized health care may have.

If illegal immigrants leech off of it, they can make a some kind of new ID card, or expand upon the ID cards that we already have.

I don't really see how there can be too many legal citizens who leech off of it. I guess they can try to fake an injury in order to get free drugs, but other than that, I don't know. Maybe they can leech off of it by requesting more time in the hospital, or hurting them self on purpose...

Do you have any examples on how it can be leeched?