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Originally Posted by MackinawTJ
The quote wasn't by a scientist or anything, not a professional. He's a musician. But scientifically speaking he was correct, the oldest human we have ever found (Lucy) was about 3 million years old. I don't see why it's not a good argument, as it is backed up by evidence. I included the quote because it was just basically summing up my question relating to before jesus was around and life before anyone believed in god. I agree with his view and had the same question he posed.
I think scientific proof is more credible than the bible, which is just one book. Scientific evidence is based on research by some of the greatest minds. It is backed up by solid proof. It is logical and makes sense.
I have morals because they were taught to me by my parents. Humans may have a natural sense of morals, but that can be attributed to pure instincts, just automatically imprinted upon our brains. I do ethical things because I believe they are right, not because of any belief in a higher power.
I asked the question about you believing christianity as the exclusive way for salvation because of an interesting poll I recently read about. I will post a seperate thread about it.
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Well, that was actually half directed at you. You used it as if his opinion was actually important or proved something, when it clearly does not. And the whole 3 million years deal? Bull. There is no accurate dating method for more than 10,000 years. When you get past that, you simply have to make too many assumptions and the numbers become useless. And as for science, science is great. Science is wonderful. Science, however, cannot reveal truth, only a currently workable solution. Also, human error can screw up science. Not just misplacing a decimal, but just human limitations in general. So, science can tell us a lot of things, but anything found using the scientific method is not "true." It is "workable." Simple science experiments can tells us that gravity exists. However, what if gravity isn't gravity at all, but actually something completely different, say, some other dimension acting upon our own? So, my point is that science can only tell us certain things, which are limited to realm of human observation and understanding. Not a trustworthy, reliable source. And really, the Bible is much the same; if it were followed properly, it would be a fine, workable model upon which to base our lives. However, there is one key difference: if it what it says it is, then it is truth, and it is infallible, and it trumps human findings and successes any day of the week because the words come directly from the mouth of God, not the fingers of man.
Isn't that pretty much what I said?
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...but everyone has a general sense of moral knowledge. After all, Christians aren't the only ones who can be "good people." And I think most people realize that their actions may have consequences beyond their knowledge or control.
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Higher powers can enter into this understanding, but they don't have to. The key is that this "revelation" reveals some key moral understandings that give us a framework upon which to build our lives and communities.
EDIT: I wonder why it is that besides Dark616, I'm more or less the only Christian actually attmepting to debate these topics. I'm sure there must be more than a couple Christians on this board, right? Surely some of you are capable of arguing these points. It's not like any of this is some special hidden knowledge that only I know about or anything.