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Originally Posted by Dark616
Are you referring to the belief of Original Sin? and Jesus was a SACRIFICE, and that is why he suffered. I agree on the grow up to be atheist part. Every life is sacred. I put abortion on level with parents who drown/smother/intentionally kill their child. both are deplorable acts of murder in my eyes.
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Yeah, pretty much original sin through and through. If it were not for that, we could save ourselves by not sinning, or as is brought up by this topic, abortion.
He was a sacrifice, yes, but he still took our just punishment, thus he was punished for our sins. Without that, we would not be saved. So, though he was a sacrifice, he was punished. Sacrifice in this case a state of being, punishment being the action upon him.
Well, I am 100% certain that nearly every abortionist on Earth would as well. Why? Because, they don't see the unborn child(and yes, that is the official medical term too. Look it up) as a human. They do an awful lot to make that clear to others and themselves. My belief is that most supporters of abortionists lie to themselves, by it purposely or not, or are ignorant of the nature of a child. In fact, some abortionists will work very hard to strike down any notion that even a ball of cells could possibly be human. Well, by the time most abortions are actually carried out, they are far beyond that stage. And even if it did not occur as such(I speak mainly of the morning after pill), there is little reason to believe that a "ball of cells" is not human. But in reality, only four things differentiate this stage from any other human on Earth:
Size: If size can determine humanity, than are small people less human that tall people?
Level of development: If level of development can determine humanity, are mentally retarded people less human than others?
Degree of Dependency: If degree of dependency can determine humanity, then are children or the elderly less human that others?
Location: If location can determine humanity, that are people in other countries less human than us?
So, back to my original statement. In short, if abortionists would see abortion for what it really is-wholesale murder for the convienence of others-then they would most certainly echo your sentiment. I believe that there are plenty of well-meaning, civil, good people who support abortion. However, I also think that that's no excuse for the act they support. Regardless, the action, not the people, most especially not the mothers, should be attacked; that's just plain reprehensible.
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Originally Posted by Saline
Some Christians believe in what is called the "age of accountability", which is under 12, I think. Basically it means that anyone under 12 who hasn't accepted Christ automatically go to heaven. I dunno how I feel about this, but it may help you find in answer in some way.
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Complete, total, unbelievable, undeniably bull****. There is
NOTHING in the Bible to lend to this view. Again, one of the contructs of Christians who aren't too in touch with reality. Tim LaHaye, Jerry B. Jenkins, the blame for this falls solely on you! These are the two behind
Left Behind, the series that put the pre-Trib view of rapture into the public eye; though it's still debated even today, the greatest Biblical evidence is stacked behind post-Trib, excluding a rapture entirely. But I digress. My point is, Christians such as these are the reason why ideas such as "The Age of Responsibility" exist. Well, you know what, there actually is one: it's the moment you are concieved! That's where sin enters, at the moment you come into being. So, in short, if someone tells you that kids are exempt from ultimate judgement, give'em a good slap upside the head for me, will ya?